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<p>[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24865160, member: 26430"]Oh, almost forgot. I have some new (last few months) additions to my 12 Caesars...</p><p><br /></p><p>Three new favorites. Chronologically...</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Augustus</b>. From Samos, c. 20 BCE, during the important period when he governed from the Ionian island. With a colorful peacock!</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1595102[/ATTACH]</p><blockquote><p><font size="4"><i><b>Selected provenance/publication history</b></i>: <a href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/2681" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/2681" rel="nofollow">RPC I 2681 (Online), ex. 26</a> = Ex Collections of Lord Grantley (1855-1943), R. C. Lockett (1873-1950), Cornelius Vermeule (1925-2008), "St. George Collection" (CNG).</font></p><p><font size="4"><br /></font></p><p><font size="4">Unfortunately, John Richard-Brinsley Norton (1855-1943) died during WWII, a low point in British auction catalog publication due to resource scarcity. He had undoubtedly one of the greatest-ever collections of Greek bronze coins (incl. Roman Provincials). But due to the timing, <i>none</i> of the coins were illustrated in the Glendining's Auction catalogs. </font></p><p><font size="4"><br /></font></p><p><font size="4">One of the biggest buyers was Lockett, but only his Greek silver/gold were published in the SNG series! A bronze series was planned (never materialized), so once again, Glendining illustrated very few.</font></p><p><font size="4"><br /></font></p><p><font size="4">Fortunately, Cornelius Vermeule, Curator at Boston Museum of Fine Arts, bought many of those ex-Lockett-Grantley bronzes & kept track of their provenances (though others lost many of them). I've bought several, and tried to recover as many of the provenances as possible, to contribute to some partial record of those great mid-20th cent. collections of Greek/RPC AE.</font></p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>Nero</b>. Cappadocia, Caesarea. With his beloved mother Agrippina Jr! (This one I just won at auction, so don't "have it" have it.)</p><p><br /></p><p>I wanted it mainly for her portrait, especially on the opposing side of Nero's. (One might even argue she's the obverse, though I think that'd be wrong.)</p><p><br /></p><p>And for its fascinating "object biography," below. I like that it's both "Imperial" (Latin legends) and "Provincial" (Cappadocia), so it appears in publications for both (and in "Women of Rome" literature):</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1595104[/ATTACH]</p><blockquote><p><font size="4"><b><i>Selected provenance</i></b>: Ex Peter J Merani (1936-2020) Collection (CNG Triton XXIV, 19 Jan. 2021, lot 139); Walter Niggeler (1878-1964) Collection, Part II (Bank Leu/Münzen und Medaillen, 21 Oct. 1966, lot 659); Franz Trau (1881-1931) Family Collection (Gilhofer & Ranschburg/Hess, 22 May 1935, lot 359); <i>probably</i> ex Cappadocia 1906 Hoard (IGCH 179) [but not published], <i>possibly</i> acquired by Trau from <a href="https://www.doaks.org/resources/bliss-tyler-correspondence/annotations/indjoudjian-freres" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.doaks.org/resources/bliss-tyler-correspondence/annotations/indjoudjian-freres" rel="nofollow">Indjoudjian Frères</a>, Paris & Istanbul; other recent sales (1999-2023).</font></p><p><font size="4"><br /></font></p><p><font size="4"><i><b>Selected publication hist.</b></i>: Jasper Burns, <a href="https://www.academia.edu/38853413/Great_Women_of_Imperial_Rome_Mothers_and_Wives_of_the_Caesars" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.academia.edu/38853413/Great_Women_of_Imperial_Rome_Mothers_and_Wives_of_the_Caesars" rel="nofollow"><i>Great Women of Imperial Rome: Mothers and Wives of the Caesars</i></a> (Routledge, 2007), p. 83, Fig. 4.23 (reverse only, from CNG 51); Banti/Simonetti, <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Corpus_nummorum_romanorum/C5gaAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=trau%20394" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Corpus_nummorum_romanorum/C5gaAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=trau%20394" rel="nofollow"><i>Corpus Nummorum Romanorum</i> vol. 16, p. 136, no. 73</a>; <a href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/3637" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/3637" rel="nofollow">RPC Vol I 3637, ex. 5</a>; <i>Sammlung Franz Trau: Münzen der römischen Kaiser</i>, nr. 394 (1976 Attic Books reprint); Wildwinds "virtual plate coin" (<a href="https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/cappadocia/caesarea/t.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/cappadocia/caesarea/t.html" rel="nofollow">Caesarea</a> & <a href="https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/ric/nero/t.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/ric/nero/t.html" rel="nofollow">Nero</a> pages); cited in Howgego 850i (5th spec.); <i>et al</i>.</font></p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>Vespasian</b>. Dupondius. Very rare legend for Dupondius, CONCOR AVG. (A few known.) I really love this portrait. On a Sestertius it would've been out of reach, but on Dupondius it's still very satisfying, in many ways.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1595105[/ATTACH]</p><blockquote><p><font size="4"><b><i>Sel. prov./pub. hist.</i></b>: "Plate coin" in the new RIC II.1 263, from a plaster cast as Oxford/Ashmolean Museum, ex Curtis Clay Collection (with tags) & Henry Platt Hall (1863-1949) Collection. (H.P. Hall bought <i>everywhere;</i> so, while I have suspicions, it'll take some research.) </font></p><p><font size="4"><br /></font></p><p><font size="4">Also ex J.S. Wagner (JSW Collection) w/ tray tag, who is better know for a fine Provincial collection, ref. often by RPC, sold by CNG. JSW did not know this coin was ex-Hall, though he referenced it to the original RIC II 470, an entry with a minor error but that seems to cite only this coin. But it was not illustrated -- so, apparently, JSW never knew!</font></p></blockquote><p>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24865160, member: 26430"]Oh, almost forgot. I have some new (last few months) additions to my 12 Caesars... Three new favorites. Chronologically... [B]Augustus[/B]. From Samos, c. 20 BCE, during the important period when he governed from the Ionian island. With a colorful peacock! [ATTACH=full]1595102[/ATTACH] [INDENT][SIZE=4][I][B]Selected provenance/publication history[/B][/I]: [URL='https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/2681']RPC I 2681 (Online), ex. 26[/URL] = Ex Collections of Lord Grantley (1855-1943), R. C. Lockett (1873-1950), Cornelius Vermeule (1925-2008), "St. George Collection" (CNG). Unfortunately, John Richard-Brinsley Norton (1855-1943) died during WWII, a low point in British auction catalog publication due to resource scarcity. He had undoubtedly one of the greatest-ever collections of Greek bronze coins (incl. Roman Provincials). But due to the timing, [I]none[/I] of the coins were illustrated in the Glendining's Auction catalogs. One of the biggest buyers was Lockett, but only his Greek silver/gold were published in the SNG series! A bronze series was planned (never materialized), so once again, Glendining illustrated very few. Fortunately, Cornelius Vermeule, Curator at Boston Museum of Fine Arts, bought many of those ex-Lockett-Grantley bronzes & kept track of their provenances (though others lost many of them). I've bought several, and tried to recover as many of the provenances as possible, to contribute to some partial record of those great mid-20th cent. collections of Greek/RPC AE.[/SIZE][/INDENT] [B]Nero[/B]. Cappadocia, Caesarea. With his beloved mother Agrippina Jr! (This one I just won at auction, so don't "have it" have it.) I wanted it mainly for her portrait, especially on the opposing side of Nero's. (One might even argue she's the obverse, though I think that'd be wrong.) And for its fascinating "object biography," below. I like that it's both "Imperial" (Latin legends) and "Provincial" (Cappadocia), so it appears in publications for both (and in "Women of Rome" literature): [ATTACH=full]1595104[/ATTACH] [INDENT][SIZE=4][B][I]Selected provenance[/I][/B]: Ex Peter J Merani (1936-2020) Collection (CNG Triton XXIV, 19 Jan. 2021, lot 139); Walter Niggeler (1878-1964) Collection, Part II (Bank Leu/Münzen und Medaillen, 21 Oct. 1966, lot 659); Franz Trau (1881-1931) Family Collection (Gilhofer & Ranschburg/Hess, 22 May 1935, lot 359); [I]probably[/I] ex Cappadocia 1906 Hoard (IGCH 179) [but not published], [I]possibly[/I] acquired by Trau from [URL='https://www.doaks.org/resources/bliss-tyler-correspondence/annotations/indjoudjian-freres']Indjoudjian Frères[/URL], Paris & Istanbul; other recent sales (1999-2023). [I][B]Selected publication hist.[/B][/I]: Jasper Burns, [URL='https://www.academia.edu/38853413/Great_Women_of_Imperial_Rome_Mothers_and_Wives_of_the_Caesars'][I]Great Women of Imperial Rome: Mothers and Wives of the Caesars[/I][/URL] (Routledge, 2007), p. 83, Fig. 4.23 (reverse only, from CNG 51); Banti/Simonetti, [URL='https://www.google.com/books/edition/Corpus_nummorum_romanorum/C5gaAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=trau%20394'][I]Corpus Nummorum Romanorum[/I] vol. 16, p. 136, no. 73[/URL]; [URL='https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/3637']RPC Vol I 3637, ex. 5[/URL]; [I]Sammlung Franz Trau: Münzen der römischen Kaiser[/I], nr. 394 (1976 Attic Books reprint); Wildwinds "virtual plate coin" ([URL='https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/cappadocia/caesarea/t.html']Caesarea[/URL] & [URL='https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/ric/nero/t.html']Nero[/URL] pages); cited in Howgego 850i (5th spec.); [I]et al[/I].[/SIZE][/INDENT] [B]Vespasian[/B]. Dupondius. Very rare legend for Dupondius, CONCOR AVG. (A few known.) I really love this portrait. On a Sestertius it would've been out of reach, but on Dupondius it's still very satisfying, in many ways. [ATTACH=full]1595105[/ATTACH] [INDENT][SIZE=4][B][I]Sel. prov./pub. hist.[/I][/B]: "Plate coin" in the new RIC II.1 263, from a plaster cast as Oxford/Ashmolean Museum, ex Curtis Clay Collection (with tags) & Henry Platt Hall (1863-1949) Collection. (H.P. Hall bought [I]everywhere;[/I] so, while I have suspicions, it'll take some research.) Also ex J.S. Wagner (JSW Collection) w/ tray tag, who is better know for a fine Provincial collection, ref. often by RPC, sold by CNG. JSW did not know this coin was ex-Hall, though he referenced it to the original RIC II 470, an entry with a minor error but that seems to cite only this coin. But it was not illustrated -- so, apparently, JSW never knew![/SIZE][/INDENT][/QUOTE]
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