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<p>[QUOTE="Vess1, post: 840125, member: 13650"]I don't have the answers either. I don't want it to come across as though whatever I purchase I'm considering to be part of my retirement. Because it's not. I really don't want to sell anything and have a hard time wanting to sell even the stuff I'm not that crazy about anymore. So I'm not in it for profit. I figure whatever happens, happens. </p><p><br /></p><p> One thing you can be sure of though is that I'm sure many people in the 50's looked forward to 2010 and probably figured the hobby would have died by now. With all the new things that are available to kids and people in general. I'm sure they never imagined how much prices would change from then until now. If not only for inflation. It's going to happen again. </p><p><br /></p><p> If you ask anyone here, whether or not their grandparents should have stuck $10k in a savings account in 1950 or purchased as big a selection of rare coins, cars, (anything) as they could have gotten their hands on and stashed them away...... you know what the answer would be. </p><p><br /></p><p> (During their 50 years, government spending was still sane. It is now 'in'sane. There is no doubt what's coming after the reality of all this money printing sets in. Interest rates floored at 0% is one of the only things somewhat keeping a lid on it for the time being. Just wait...)</p><p><br /></p><p> Now yes, they could have done very well in the stock market too as this country had a lot of growth left. But where are we now? How much growth can possibly be left? How many more Walmarts do we need? How many more Mobil stations can be built? Where is Heinz going to sell ketchup and mustard where they haven't been already? To me it seems the markets should be maximized by now. To get in now is like getting in at the bottom of the pyramid. Much, MUCH harder for these companies to see gains like they have seen in the past!! For the vast majority anyway. </p><p><br /></p><p> I'm not an expert. But my concern is that there's a lot of older people who try to convince you how good the stock markets are because of how well they've done over the decades. (Just don't look at this past decade!) They want you to believe that somehow we should be able to take a carbon copy of the past 80 years and project that onto the charts for the next 80 years. As if all these companies can/will miraculously keep expanding and growing forever! But that's impossible. Any profitable market that could be tapped, should have been tapped by now! Unless there's some new technology. The next 80 years will likely be a polar opposite of the past 80 years. There isn't much made in the USA anymore and millions of jobs have disappeared forever. That's really the heart of it. </p><p><br /></p><p> I won't even go into the fact of how many millions of baby boomers will be retiring en-mass over the next 20 years. Who will all need to be selling those stocks to somebody for them to survive on. Hopefully the next generation can absorb it all and buy it all from them. If not, the markets could be at their peaks again right now. (Despite being in the red factoring in the past 10 years of inflation.) To me, the writing's on the wall. But, maybe I'm underestimating the upcoming work force. What's left of it anyway. That's my basic view on it. Trying to be realistic.</p><p><br /></p><p> Oh yeah, another little known fact is that when the CEOs and "bigwigs" of these companies get their bonuses in stock options (to avoid the higher income tax rates), they '<u>create</u>' brand new shares for them out of thin air. Thereby inflating their stock without investors realizing it. Then, they have to gradually sell it off to all the sucke.....I mean... investors so as not to flood the market with new shares and drive the price down. </p><p><br /></p><p> The only reason people are in the markets is because someone else told them it was the thing to do. If people really read about them and totally understood how they worked now, nobody would want to be in them.</p><p><br /></p><p> It wasn't always this way. But it has turned into a very ugly game in which the rich can manipulate it all to their benefit. You have to be lucky to finish on the winning side. With them. For example, many people believe short selling should be outlawed because there's too much incentive for corruption. It's too easy for insiders to cause a stock to tank and run away with a fortune. </p><p> You not only have the uphill struggle for a stock to be successful, but often times now, people are betting for it's failure so they can win big. When there's huge rewards and incentives for a stock to plummet, it's not too hard for the powers that be to leak a little bad info. Then all the shareholders think, "Well shucks, what bad luck! Everybody lost and got screwed." Well,........not everybody. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p> Just my .02 cents.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Vess1, post: 840125, member: 13650"]I don't have the answers either. I don't want it to come across as though whatever I purchase I'm considering to be part of my retirement. Because it's not. I really don't want to sell anything and have a hard time wanting to sell even the stuff I'm not that crazy about anymore. So I'm not in it for profit. I figure whatever happens, happens. One thing you can be sure of though is that I'm sure many people in the 50's looked forward to 2010 and probably figured the hobby would have died by now. With all the new things that are available to kids and people in general. I'm sure they never imagined how much prices would change from then until now. If not only for inflation. It's going to happen again. If you ask anyone here, whether or not their grandparents should have stuck $10k in a savings account in 1950 or purchased as big a selection of rare coins, cars, (anything) as they could have gotten their hands on and stashed them away...... you know what the answer would be. (During their 50 years, government spending was still sane. It is now 'in'sane. There is no doubt what's coming after the reality of all this money printing sets in. Interest rates floored at 0% is one of the only things somewhat keeping a lid on it for the time being. Just wait...) Now yes, they could have done very well in the stock market too as this country had a lot of growth left. But where are we now? How much growth can possibly be left? How many more Walmarts do we need? How many more Mobil stations can be built? Where is Heinz going to sell ketchup and mustard where they haven't been already? To me it seems the markets should be maximized by now. To get in now is like getting in at the bottom of the pyramid. Much, MUCH harder for these companies to see gains like they have seen in the past!! For the vast majority anyway. I'm not an expert. But my concern is that there's a lot of older people who try to convince you how good the stock markets are because of how well they've done over the decades. (Just don't look at this past decade!) They want you to believe that somehow we should be able to take a carbon copy of the past 80 years and project that onto the charts for the next 80 years. As if all these companies can/will miraculously keep expanding and growing forever! But that's impossible. Any profitable market that could be tapped, should have been tapped by now! Unless there's some new technology. The next 80 years will likely be a polar opposite of the past 80 years. There isn't much made in the USA anymore and millions of jobs have disappeared forever. That's really the heart of it. I won't even go into the fact of how many millions of baby boomers will be retiring en-mass over the next 20 years. Who will all need to be selling those stocks to somebody for them to survive on. Hopefully the next generation can absorb it all and buy it all from them. If not, the markets could be at their peaks again right now. (Despite being in the red factoring in the past 10 years of inflation.) To me, the writing's on the wall. But, maybe I'm underestimating the upcoming work force. What's left of it anyway. That's my basic view on it. Trying to be realistic. Oh yeah, another little known fact is that when the CEOs and "bigwigs" of these companies get their bonuses in stock options (to avoid the higher income tax rates), they '[U]create[/U]' brand new shares for them out of thin air. Thereby inflating their stock without investors realizing it. Then, they have to gradually sell it off to all the sucke.....I mean... investors so as not to flood the market with new shares and drive the price down. The only reason people are in the markets is because someone else told them it was the thing to do. If people really read about them and totally understood how they worked now, nobody would want to be in them. It wasn't always this way. But it has turned into a very ugly game in which the rich can manipulate it all to their benefit. You have to be lucky to finish on the winning side. With them. For example, many people believe short selling should be outlawed because there's too much incentive for corruption. It's too easy for insiders to cause a stock to tank and run away with a fortune. You not only have the uphill struggle for a stock to be successful, but often times now, people are betting for it's failure so they can win big. When there's huge rewards and incentives for a stock to plummet, it's not too hard for the powers that be to leak a little bad info. Then all the shareholders think, "Well shucks, what bad luck! Everybody lost and got screwed." Well,........not everybody. ;) Just my .02 cents.[/QUOTE]
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