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<p>[QUOTE="bhp3rd, post: 838960, member: 16510"]<b>If I ever come across has bashing new collectors for collecting modern coins that is the last thing I want to do.</b></p><p>People should collect what they like and pleases them is the best advice always.</p><p>I do report here what I see and what I see selling, not selling and laying around - that is the market.</p><p>Also it's never what collectors like that is the issue - it's what the mint has done with modern mintages and too many different issues. We have <b>to much, way to much</b>.</p><p>When we compare modern to classics it's natural. What else are we to compare these to?</p><p>When I say dealers are paying 40% back on modern mint and proof sets, <b>have too much</b> and don't want these it's not aimed at saying your coins are no good are cannot be valued. It's just telling you what I see, you may see something different and to say that's belittling new collectors that's your leap not mine.</p><p>The facts are if dealers have boxes of this stuff laying around under tables going unsold <b>there is too much.</b></p><p>We value things because we like them, appreciate the art and have value, or are rare. When I say these coins are not rare that to is not belittling new collectors it's just stating a fact, <b>there is to much</b>.</p><p> </p><p>Lets take the 1996-W Dime for an example. It's an interesting coin, has much going for it, I like it, but it ain't rare, it will not be rare, cannot be considered rare and will be readily avilible for the remainder of this century, <b>there is to many</b>. The fact is they made a million and half, they are not going to enter circulation and will be passed from collector to collector, mint set to mint set, here to there and hoard to hoard. If it had been entered into circulation as a W-mint coin with that mintage then we could change some parameters here and change some of the above. Even then it would not be a rare coin as I have described it and compared to the classic key and semi-keys, there is <b>still too many</b> with limited demand.</p><p>I don't make this stuff up and I don't mean to say it's no good or you should not collect these. They are what they are - I can't make them rare or lower mintages so new colletors can feel better, <b>there is to much</b>.</p><p> </p><p>If the main complaint is old timers passing over moderns and that makes you feel less important what are they to do, lie to you and put a Deleware quarter next to a 16-D dime so you feel better or are valued. Old timers are what they are, most want new collectors getting into coins but as you do, they know what they know and think like they think. It's not their job to value your moderns, that's your job. I agree many are crusty and worn down and often just plain "not friendly" at least until you get to know them. Again it's not their job to make you feel good about what you collect, that's your job. If you say "well it that kind of attitude that drives new folks away, again that is those new folks decision - they probably would not have lasted very long anyway and whether someone leaves or stays has nothing to do with "those old timers" and everything to do with those new folks. </p><p>I like gem memorials Lincoln's and die varieties many minor, old timers could care less about these coins but I value them.</p><p> </p><p>If you like, value, and collect moderns it's your job to make us notice or at least be aware that your here, your not leaving and this is what you value. It will always come up though about moderns and classics and value and rariety. Again, it's your job to like what you like despite mintages and real rarity if that's what you have decided on to collect.</p><p> </p><p>Here we have seen several new young people as dealers and colletors in the last 5 years. Perhaps as much as 20% increase over what it was 12 years ago. Most of these start out with moderns and move to classics each and every time - I wonder why?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="bhp3rd, post: 838960, member: 16510"][B]If I ever come across has bashing new collectors for collecting modern coins that is the last thing I want to do.[/B] People should collect what they like and pleases them is the best advice always. I do report here what I see and what I see selling, not selling and laying around - that is the market. Also it's never what collectors like that is the issue - it's what the mint has done with modern mintages and too many different issues. We have [B]to much, way to much[/B]. When we compare modern to classics it's natural. What else are we to compare these to? When I say dealers are paying 40% back on modern mint and proof sets, [B]have too much[/B] and don't want these it's not aimed at saying your coins are no good are cannot be valued. It's just telling you what I see, you may see something different and to say that's belittling new collectors that's your leap not mine. The facts are if dealers have boxes of this stuff laying around under tables going unsold [B]there is too much.[/B] We value things because we like them, appreciate the art and have value, or are rare. When I say these coins are not rare that to is not belittling new collectors it's just stating a fact, [B]there is to much[/B]. Lets take the 1996-W Dime for an example. It's an interesting coin, has much going for it, I like it, but it ain't rare, it will not be rare, cannot be considered rare and will be readily avilible for the remainder of this century, [B]there is to many[/B]. The fact is they made a million and half, they are not going to enter circulation and will be passed from collector to collector, mint set to mint set, here to there and hoard to hoard. If it had been entered into circulation as a W-mint coin with that mintage then we could change some parameters here and change some of the above. Even then it would not be a rare coin as I have described it and compared to the classic key and semi-keys, there is [B]still too many[/B] with limited demand. I don't make this stuff up and I don't mean to say it's no good or you should not collect these. They are what they are - I can't make them rare or lower mintages so new colletors can feel better, [B]there is to much[/B]. If the main complaint is old timers passing over moderns and that makes you feel less important what are they to do, lie to you and put a Deleware quarter next to a 16-D dime so you feel better or are valued. Old timers are what they are, most want new collectors getting into coins but as you do, they know what they know and think like they think. It's not their job to value your moderns, that's your job. I agree many are crusty and worn down and often just plain "not friendly" at least until you get to know them. Again it's not their job to make you feel good about what you collect, that's your job. If you say "well it that kind of attitude that drives new folks away, again that is those new folks decision - they probably would not have lasted very long anyway and whether someone leaves or stays has nothing to do with "those old timers" and everything to do with those new folks. I like gem memorials Lincoln's and die varieties many minor, old timers could care less about these coins but I value them. If you like, value, and collect moderns it's your job to make us notice or at least be aware that your here, your not leaving and this is what you value. It will always come up though about moderns and classics and value and rariety. Again, it's your job to like what you like despite mintages and real rarity if that's what you have decided on to collect. Here we have seen several new young people as dealers and colletors in the last 5 years. Perhaps as much as 20% increase over what it was 12 years ago. Most of these start out with moderns and move to classics each and every time - I wonder why?[/QUOTE]
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