Are rims "unstruck" areas on classic coins?

You mean the TR of Trust on the obverse?

That's a weak strike. Lehigh and I have gone back back on forth on this many times, but it's considered acceptable by the TPGs on a 66.

 

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If I look closely, I see what appears to be a "lighter spot" just north of the rim ding. This looks like displaced metal, to me. A "rim ding" instead of a "planchet flaw."

On the Franklin I posted, I don't see any corresponding displaced metal. I don't know if its a ding or not. I've contemplated sending to PCGS for a second third opinion, but haven't yet.

 

Screw press like this >

 

Love to have that job !

 

Sometimes a horse had that job

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/03/03/the-early-modern-period-striking-coins-with-a-screw-press/

 

Horses were used for the rolling mills, not the screw presses. And while that is a screw press in SensibleSal's picture, it is set up as a cutting or blanking press, not a coining press. Note the strip the man is holding with the holes cut out of it.

 

ok hold on, :

 

Guy sitting in the pit, funny

 

This makes sense to me.

 

With the possible exception of Proof coin planchets, many flans have small marks on them before the coin was struck. In the vast majority of instances, those marks are flattened by the dies when the coin is made. When those marks are not flattened, it almost always occurs in the highest areas of the design. The reason is that the highest areas on the coin are stuck by the deepest areas on a die. If the dies or too shallow, or insufficient pression is used to strike the coin, the marks will remain.

Some coins are known to have pre-strike planchet marks on them on a regular basis. The Philadelphia Sesquicentennial commemorative half dollar is one of those coin. This piece was struck with dies that had shallow relief. The result was a less than perfectly executed design. This piece is graded MS-64. There are number marks on Washington’s cheek, but most them were on the planchet before the coin was struck.




How can you tell the difference between pre-strike planchet marks and post mint scratches? That involves some art, science and personal interpretation. In general, a sharply defined mark, like the one on Calvin Coolidge’s forehead in post mint damage. The sort of mushy looking marks on Washington’s cheek were probably there before the coin was struck, but opinions may differ.

So far as the marks on the rims of the dimes in the OP, I would say that most of those were there before the coin was struck, but this is just an opinion on my part. Here is an MS-65 graded Bust Dime from my collection. It too has simlar marks on the obverse. You can't see much of the reverse rim becauset the coin is in an old NGC holder. The piece was also struck with rusty dies which accounts for the rough area on Ms. Liberty's cheek.

 

I never gave this any thought. I like Type's explanation.

 

Lesson learned thanks everyone.

 

I understand that the graders overlooked the edges, but standards aside... do you agree they are more marked up due to the lower strike pressure there?

 

I am an error guy, so this is out of my wheelhouse, but, does your statement of “the only thing that matters is that they are there” Carry over to coins known to weak strikes. If it is a weak strike then it is a weak strike, and should never get a high grade because of it?

 

It's a kid sitting in the pit. Small fingers, fast reflexes, good eyesight all made for good qualifications for that job. If a finger or two got crushed, there were plenty of other kids who could do it.

 

Excellent thread. I know I learned a few things from it.

 

This is what I was trying to say...they gave these coins a pass, for some reason.

 

Awesome thread to read