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<p>[QUOTE="Conder101, post: 1590581, member: 66"]You assume I didn't expect the outcome that occurred. I did because there was never any doubt that the Norfeds are in violation of US Code Title 18 Chapter 25 sec 486, but that doesn't make them counterfeits. Sec 486 makes it illegal to make any coin of gold, silver, or other metal, intended to be used as current money, in the resemblance in design of US or foreign coins, <b>or of original design.</b> Carr gets out of this because he doesn't intend for his to be used as money. Carr violates Sec 489 which makes it illegal to make or possess with the intent to sell or give away any token, disk or device in the likeness or similitude as to design, color, or inscription thereupon of any US or foreign coin. (This statute does not require fraudulent intent, you can tell people exactly what it is and it is still illegal.) I would definitely say Carr's pieces are similar in design to US coins and that he intends to sell them. (Note the law says "in similitude", it does not say they have to be exact. A 1964 Franklin is VERY similar to a 1963 Franklin.) Carr's coins come much closer to being counterfeits than Norfed's because he is trying to make them look identical except for the date. Norfeds look like US coins in only a very superficial way.</p><p><br /></p><p>Oh and Norfed's coins are also in violation of Sec 491[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Conder101, post: 1590581, member: 66"]You assume I didn't expect the outcome that occurred. I did because there was never any doubt that the Norfeds are in violation of US Code Title 18 Chapter 25 sec 486, but that doesn't make them counterfeits. Sec 486 makes it illegal to make any coin of gold, silver, or other metal, intended to be used as current money, in the resemblance in design of US or foreign coins, [b]or of original design.[/b] Carr gets out of this because he doesn't intend for his to be used as money. Carr violates Sec 489 which makes it illegal to make or possess with the intent to sell or give away any token, disk or device in the likeness or similitude as to design, color, or inscription thereupon of any US or foreign coin. (This statute does not require fraudulent intent, you can tell people exactly what it is and it is still illegal.) I would definitely say Carr's pieces are similar in design to US coins and that he intends to sell them. (Note the law says "in similitude", it does not say they have to be exact. A 1964 Franklin is VERY similar to a 1963 Franklin.) Carr's coins come much closer to being counterfeits than Norfed's because he is trying to make them look identical except for the date. Norfeds look like US coins in only a very superficial way. Oh and Norfed's coins are also in violation of Sec 491[/QUOTE]
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