Are fantasy dated coins considered counterfeit?

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  1. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    Step one-
    Admitting you have a problem:troll:
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  3. dcarr

    dcarr Mint-Master

    It is certainly better to have a cleaned genuine coin than an actual modern counterfeit.

    But because there are so many over-hyped, over-graded, cleaned, whizzed, repaired, etc coins out there, that is a much larger pitfall that a novice could fall into.

    But either way, unless a person really knows what they are doing, they should follow the usual advice and stick to certified coins. That will weed out (most of) the cleaned coins and counterfeits. Problem solved (except when there are counterfeit PCGS/NGC holders involved).
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2018
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  4. AnonymousCoinCollector

    AnonymousCoinCollector Reintroduce silver coins to circulation!

    I just want to know how to get a 1975 dated Ike. Obviously sold out and I never see them on the secondary market. It's my birth year.
  5. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Keep watching eBay till one pops up eventually
  6. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Same here.
  7. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    When you have an inquiry like that, start your own thread and don’t break into a thread on a completely different subject. You’ll get help.
  8. CoinCorgi

    CoinCorgi Derp, derp, derp!

    I thought it was on topic. How many 75 ikes do you have ;)
  9. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Well, bless my little square head.:wideyed:
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    CoinCorgi Derp, derp, derp!

  11. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    Let's not forget counterfeit coins in genuine holders :)
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  12. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Extremely rare but the guarantee covers buyers in those instances
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  13. imrich

    imrich Supporter! Supporter

    Thank You Dan!

    The general definition for COUNTERFEIT: a fraudulent imitation of something else

    The general minimum definition for GEM: Has full mint luster but may be unevenly toned (i.e. not corroded). I believe you can easily find corroded Silver coins with a certified "Gem" grade. I can show you numerous to MS67.

    It's believed you are extremely unlikely to find a Counterfeit coin, much less being of certified condition, and significant value. Minimum potential for damages!

    The important legal element for determination of a "counterfeit" is "fraud". If you purchased the item raw without a message of authenticity it may be found legally to just be an inexpensive "copy", which many have reported on foreign sites for a relatively token trinket amount, as they are being sold there as "trinkets".

    We probably are highly unlikely to purchase a raw "trinket" specimen for MS67 TPG pricing. However, It's believed many are purchasing "a fraudulent imitation of something else" for considerably more expensive cost in a MS65, MS66, or MS67 prominently certified "Slabs" of corroded coins. When there's a written published U.S. complete coin Grading standard which states the surface condition for GEM condition in numerous locations, an exception to same by the premier TPG may be adjudicated as fraudulent, and subject to appreciable resale loss, relative to a raw "copy". Does this auctioned coin without a reverse image meet the published standard for GEM state MS65, much less MS66?

    What is a U.S. "restrike"? Do they require a "copy" stamp?

    Last edited: Jun 13, 2018
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  14. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Show us.
  15. AnonymousCoinCollector

    AnonymousCoinCollector Reintroduce silver coins to circulation!

    How about no?
    Go away, troll.
  16. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    No troll here. LOL.

    My apologies!:inpain:
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  17. imrich

    imrich Supporter! Supporter

    It was stated: "I believe you can". I've numerous in my collection. I'm normally not about to play the critic game with the "disadvantaged", but I quickly linked a specimen that doesn't meet the "GEM" standard, where the seller wouldn't even show the reverse. I know with your talents you could find additional/better?.

    You delegate "up" well, but let's cease the effort.
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2018
  18. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Saying you believe you can easily find gem 65 and up silver coins that are corroded is a bold statement that really requires proof
  19. imrich

    imrich Supporter! Supporter

    It would to a jurist or jury in litigation, but you aren't that. I'm just following your normal verbal "Modus operandi" (i.e. M.O.).

  20. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Is that your way of saying you can’t produce any in first tier slabs?

    The problem with so many grading conversations, people make these far out claims about the quality of real TPG grading and never back it up with proof
  21. imrich

    imrich Supporter! Supporter

    I agreed, but take exception with your absolute observation in #78, attempted proactively to play your seeming childish game in #72, yes, while speaking to an addressed other. I tried to post an example internet auction link which initially wouldn't copy, but did after #76. #76 was a response to your seemingly blathering demand for an example of my statement, already anticipated in #72. I posted in #76, as I believed you may have limited faculties, not being able to complete my simple request/suggestion of your personal investigation, if needed by yours.

    In the interim between the 2 posts, it appears that eBay deleted the example auction, which didn't have an image of the reverse, that I suspect was corroded as the Obverse of the MS66 certified coin which depicted a less than MS65 grade image, as defined in published standards. I was able to view but not post the deleted image, which I'm certain you can facilitate, as you've seemingly stated to be needed. I haven't yet seen documentation of your believed authority to demand, if really needed for whatever, as stated. I suggested that you investigate your believed demanded proof.

    I suggest you quit while you're "ahead". Save your challenges until they're meaningful, as you're believed to be either quite naive or playing an unappreciated game with me. You seemingly expel brash unfounded statements, as you know this and that, without evidence that is believed childishly demand from others. Someone of your professed knowledge should know better. Suggestions or personal investigations are probably more in order.

    I haven't time nor interest, in my final days, to continue your offensive games. I'm involved in an ongoing exhausting 50+ year 9 digit sum legal class effort, proving/documenting fraud by businesses over that period to our states Commerce and Attorney General departments.

    You're seemingly publicly demanding without perceived authority/action, evidence that can be required under discovery efforts. We both can be deposed to meet your demanded needs, and my evidence, through subpoena if you'd like.

    This post is being filed for future reference in the event that some at this site decide to remove, but believed can be retrieved by action, if necessary.

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