Anything wrong with this 09 S VDB??

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  1. DysfunctionalVeteran

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  3. SilverWilliesCoinsdotcom

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  4. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Yup . . . I don't like it.
     
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  5. DysfunctionalVeteran

    DysfunctionalVeteran Oddly enough

    The last 9 looks off to me.
     
  6. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Both the second nine and the mintmark.
     
  7. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    S looks added in the last photo.
     
  8. DysfunctionalVeteran

    DysfunctionalVeteran Oddly enough

    I'll go ahead and report it as a fake.
     
  9. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    If you're going to be looking at raw examples, this is a good tool to keep handy even if it is far, far from foolproof..

    IMG_2607.JPG

    That said, I suggest you take a close look at the V.D.B in the seller's photos. Although far from ideal, they should only add to the already very reasonable expressed suspicion.
     
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  10. DysfunctionalVeteran

    DysfunctionalVeteran Oddly enough

    Thanks. I had no intention of buying that coin at all. For some reason it showed up in my feed and before I reported the listing I just wanted to get confirmation from other's.
     
  11. sakata

    sakata Devil's Advocate

    No way it can be fake. The seller has guaranteed it is genuine in the listing.
     
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  12. justafarmer

    justafarmer Senior Member

    I have reservation on the specific 1909-S VDB image reference contained in your post.
     
  13. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    I don't see enough evidence to be conclusive in images this poor. Perspective is distorted, but it seems consistent with Mint Mark Location #2.
     
  14. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    And?
     
  15. justafarmer

    justafarmer Senior Member

    1909  S VDB CADS.jpg EBAY 1909-s VDB 2 Overlay on 2.jpg EBAY 1909-S VDB 3 Overlay on 3.jpg UNKNOWN 1909-S VDB 2 Overlay on 2.jpg UNKNOWN 1909-S VDB 2 Overlay on 3.jpg UNKNOWN 1909-S VDB 3 Overlay on 2.jpg UNKNOWN 1909-S VDB 3 Overlay on 3.jpg
     
  16. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    I'm still not sure what you've taken issue with regarding the attachment, but to the best of my knowledge it was originally taken from a guide to counterfeit detection, published by the ANA and ANACS in the early 80's, and was offered as a supplement to the Numismatist iirc. I have a copy in my library, and will dig it out once I return home tomorrow.

    The four positions shown have long been accepted by the TPGs as the only genuine ones known. To further the point...

    https://www.pcgs.com/News/Counterfeit-Vs-Authentic-1909-s-Vdb-Lincoln-Cents

    https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/5217/Counterfeit-1909-S-VDB-Lincoln-Cents/
     
  17. NLL

    NLL Well-Known Member

    It looks fake. Every thing about it looks off. Including the V.D.B and the s mintmark. It probably should be reported.
     
  18. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    In the last photo in the 1st post, doesn't that look like solder or (whatever they are using) to attach the mint mark?
    And as NLL pointed out, I went to the listing and the VDB looks wrong. It seems large and spread apart and the D is at a bad angle.
     
  19. Evan8

    Evan8 A Little Off Center

    Personally without better pics id say the S has been added. It dosent look right. the 1909 cent itself looks alright aside from that second 9. A hit maybe? But the S looks wrong to me. Then again the pics suck lol
     
  20. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    I don't consider it a particularly good sign when a seller feels the need to say "guaranteed authentic."
     
  21. justafarmer

    justafarmer Senior Member

    I have no reservations concerning the resources provided by PCGS or NGC.

    NGC 1909-S VDB 2 over 2.JPG

    PCGS 1909-S VDB over 2.JPG
     
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