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<p>[QUOTE="Troodon, post: 357141, member: 4626"]That's exactgly the reason I usually avoid toned coins. Besides the fact I usually don't care for toning... the few times I see a piece with what I consider to be attractive toning there's just no way of knowing whether it's artificial or not. Not even the experts seem to know or agree, so what chance do I have? Not only do the experts disagree on whether a given coin is artificially toned or not... they can't even agree on what "artifical toning" even means. This all adds up to it being silly to pay a premium for toning... collect what you like of course... but it just seems a waste to pay a cent more for a toned coin that it would otherwise be worth without the toning when it is so easy to fake and even the experts can't agree on what toning is real or not.</p><p><br /></p><p>I guess it depends on semantics and/or opinion whehter or not intentionally doing something to a coin to cause it to tone automatically makes the toning artificial or not. If being in a certain environment would cause the coin to tone naturally, is it still natural when you intentionally put the coin in that type of environment? Why is it natural when a silver coin tones by being in the bottom of a bank bag made with sufurous chemicals, but artificial if you intentionally expose a coin to those same chemicals on purpose? What's the difference? Chemically, there isn't one; it all boils down to opinion and personal preference basically. I've seen some coins which most would call "artificially toned" that look much better than so-called <i>real</i> toning... the whole notion not only that you can tell what's artficial and what isn't... or even if any coin can truly be artificially toned or not... seems rather notional at best... Perhaps we should start using the term "intentionally toned" instead? Even then, you wouldn't always be able to tell... so why bother making the distinction in the first place, for that matter? The reasonable thing to do is to say that toning should not add or subtract anything to the value of a coin it seems... but I don't see that happening anytime soon. Not as long as there are people who will pay extra for what they subjectively deem to be attractive toning. And as long as those people exist, sellers will find a way to intentionally tone coins... at some point they will get so good at it that nobody will ever be able to tell an artificially toned coin from a naturally toned one. What happens then? Probably the end of toning adding any premium to a coin I suppose... why wait? Do that now... if people stop paying the premiums sellers will have to quit charging them eventually.</p><p><br /></p><p>Of course collect whatever you like, even artificially toned coins if you so desire. I'll stick to the non-toned coins lol... they're cheaper and I like the way they look better, so it's a win-win for me if people keep paying the big bucks for toned coins.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Troodon, post: 357141, member: 4626"]That's exactgly the reason I usually avoid toned coins. Besides the fact I usually don't care for toning... the few times I see a piece with what I consider to be attractive toning there's just no way of knowing whether it's artificial or not. Not even the experts seem to know or agree, so what chance do I have? Not only do the experts disagree on whether a given coin is artificially toned or not... they can't even agree on what "artifical toning" even means. This all adds up to it being silly to pay a premium for toning... collect what you like of course... but it just seems a waste to pay a cent more for a toned coin that it would otherwise be worth without the toning when it is so easy to fake and even the experts can't agree on what toning is real or not. I guess it depends on semantics and/or opinion whehter or not intentionally doing something to a coin to cause it to tone automatically makes the toning artificial or not. If being in a certain environment would cause the coin to tone naturally, is it still natural when you intentionally put the coin in that type of environment? Why is it natural when a silver coin tones by being in the bottom of a bank bag made with sufurous chemicals, but artificial if you intentionally expose a coin to those same chemicals on purpose? What's the difference? Chemically, there isn't one; it all boils down to opinion and personal preference basically. I've seen some coins which most would call "artificially toned" that look much better than so-called [I]real[/I] toning... the whole notion not only that you can tell what's artficial and what isn't... or even if any coin can truly be artificially toned or not... seems rather notional at best... Perhaps we should start using the term "intentionally toned" instead? Even then, you wouldn't always be able to tell... so why bother making the distinction in the first place, for that matter? The reasonable thing to do is to say that toning should not add or subtract anything to the value of a coin it seems... but I don't see that happening anytime soon. Not as long as there are people who will pay extra for what they subjectively deem to be attractive toning. And as long as those people exist, sellers will find a way to intentionally tone coins... at some point they will get so good at it that nobody will ever be able to tell an artificially toned coin from a naturally toned one. What happens then? Probably the end of toning adding any premium to a coin I suppose... why wait? Do that now... if people stop paying the premiums sellers will have to quit charging them eventually. Of course collect whatever you like, even artificially toned coins if you so desire. I'll stick to the non-toned coins lol... they're cheaper and I like the way they look better, so it's a win-win for me if people keep paying the big bucks for toned coins.[/QUOTE]
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