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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;JeromeLS, post: 363352, member: 7867&quot;]Well....actually...if you have multiple sovereigns, or none (look at a Thaler of Saxony from the beggining of the 17th century !), the obverse is the side with the date, but if one side doesn&#039;t feature a ruler, then the side with the ruler is the obverse. It gets even more complicated when there is no ruler or date on either side.....[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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