Anyone ever seen this happening with a banknote?

Discussion in 'Paper Money' started by Rian, May 10, 2018.

  1. Rian

    Rian New Member

    If so, I thought banknotes were one paper and also, what would be the cause?

    This is supposed to be a specimen banknote from 1926 in South Africa.


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  3. lettow

    lettow Senior Member

    Please show a picture of the face.
  4. Noah Finney

    Noah Finney Morgan / Gold Indian Member

    Idk possible fake?
  5. paddyman98

    paddyman98 No Common Cents! Supporter

    I see something that states CANCELLED on one of the side. Could be a clue.
  6. SteveInTampa

    SteveInTampa Innocent bystander

    I swear I’ve seen something similar to this before...but because of CRS, I am unable to remember.
  7. Rian

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  8. Rian

    Rian New Member

    Thank you for your replies.

    I have checked the actual note and had it authenticated. The note is 100% legitimate. The paper is correct, watermarks are correct, dimensions are correct so are all the fonts. I have no doubt about its authenticity.

    I received a call from someone who said they suspected that this may in fact be two uniface notes stuck together. Apparently, this is done in the process before the actual specimen is printed, and could be a possible draft specimen. If so, this note should have been destroyed.

    Don't know if this is indeed the case.
  9. lettow

    lettow Senior Member

    I concur that it is probably two proofs that have been glued together.
  10. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    I remember way back when, that con men were "splitting" notes and gluing $20 faces and backs to split $1 bills and passing them as the higher note.
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  11. Rian

    Rian New Member

    Ah, yes, I remember reading up on this some time ago. Luckily for me, this is not the case as the 10 Shilling was the lower denomination and no need to split it into anything. I think mine may actually be a printer proof note, from which the actual specimen was made, instead of an actual specimen itself.
  12. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    My comment was simply to show that paper currency can be split, although I've never seen one "come apart" like yours.
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  13. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    And perhaps it is paper and not a linen/cotton blend like US money.
    In which case the split would be easier if that's how they manufactured their bank notes in the first place. What does the cancellation mean?
  14. lettow

    lettow Senior Member

    It appears to be a printer's proof. Note the direction to raise the right serial number up on the note. I don't agree that it was supposed to be destroyed. Printers usually kept the examples from all steps in the process.
  15. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Well if that was the serial number 000,000
    I figured it was not a normal note.
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  16. Rian

    Rian New Member

    Initially thought this was a specimen note, since locally specimen notes are numbered as 000,000 or 123,456. Also due to the fact that there were annotations on the note that indicated that the note was used in the decision-making process.

    The note is printed on the actual linen/cotton like paper the same as what notes were printed on back then.

    But, as it turns out, I agree with lettow, this appears to be a printer proof note, but they probably used it in the process of deciding upon notes.
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  17. Rian

    Rian New Member

    No, you are right lettow. This is definitely a printers proof note. Yes, I have seen and bought a number of progressive note sets before. They were all uncirculated, not stuck together and not annotated. I just think they probably stuck this note together and used it when deciding upon the actual specimen note.

    The problem I had with this note is that it is extremely scarce. According to a guide on Banknotes and Papermoney in South Africa, this note is not recorded, but a small footnote made mention that all specimen notes this issue came out dated, but not numbered. There only existed one single dated and numbered specimen note in a bank museum in Africa. Hence the reason I bought this note when I found it and my concerns for the peeling.
  18. lettow

    lettow Senior Member

    As you know, there is a difference between a specimen and a proof. A specimen is generally a complete note in its final form. A proof may also be a complete note in final form but may also be a partially printed note.

    If you are an IBNS member I encourage you to post thos note on the IBNS discussion board. You will find some fairly advanced South Africa collectors there who can give more feedback on this note.
  19. Richard M. Renneboog

    Richard M. Renneboog Active Member

    I kinda get how that could work occcasionally, but wouldn't you have to be pretty stupid not to look at both sides of a bill when you got and say 'hey, wait just a minute'?
    This makes my brain hurt...
  20. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    I'm talking back in the 50s and they were passing the notes to teenage clerks, not people experienced in handling money. It would probably work on teen clerks today as they have no clue and put the bills immediately in the drawer without even looking at it.
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