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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;dougsmit, post: 3164840, member: 19463&quot;]I was raised in the theory that the word patina is reserved for a thicker surface color that is rooted into the coin in such a way that removing it would destroy the surface.&nbsp; That theory held the term Tiber Patina to be inappropriate and more like &#039;river toned&#039; or &#039;water coin&#039;.&nbsp; Similarly Sand Patinas are not patinas but &#039;soil impacted&#039;.&nbsp; Such terminology differences come from us learning the hobby through different sources that were opinionated beyond any scientific level.&nbsp; I am wholly unsure how you tell a real Tiber tone coin from a cleaned and in process of retoning coin.&nbsp; I do like having a certain number of yellow brass coins that are still yellow (however they got that way).&nbsp;&nbsp; For the record, I do not collect 12 Caesars&nbsp; --- some <i>have</i> collected me. </p><p>Claudius sestertius</p><p>[ATTACH=full]813292[/ATTACH] </p><p>Nero dupondius</p><p>[ATTACH=full]813293[/ATTACH] </p><p>Vespasian dupondius</p><p>[ATTACH=full]813294[/ATTACH] </p><p>Titus sestertius</p><p>[ATTACH=full]813296[/ATTACH] </p><p>Domitian dupondius</p><p>[ATTACH=full]813298[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Did any of these coins do time in the Tiber or other water? I can not say.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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