Anyone else love heavy patina?

Here is my “other” Claudius RIC I, No. 112 Sestertius in fairly heavy patina:



RIC Vol. I, CLAUDIUS, SESTERTIUS, Rome, No. 112, 50-54AD, (36mm, 28.2gm)
Obverse depiction: Claudius, laureate head facing right
Inscription: TI CLAVDIVS CAESAR AVG PM TRP IMP PP
Reverse depiction: Civic Oak Wreath
Inscription in four lines:
EX SC
P P
OB CIVES
SERVATOS
(within wreath)

 

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I like a nice even patina, but not when it obscures the coin's devices


PHILIP II
AE17
OBVERSE: Apollo facing right with tania binding hair
REVERSE: Youth naked on horseback - Filippos (in Greek) above, symbol -bucranium (skull of an ox) - underneath.
Struck at Macedonia 359-336 BC
6g, 17mm
SNG ANS #850-851; Le Rider #24; Sear 6698v; Bellinger 20

 

It's an attractive patina and looks believable in terms of being original rather than recreated. The color does seem to be what is called a Tiber patina. It does not look stripped and repatinated to me (<-- a non-expert )

 

I agree, Bing.

 

Shown before but one I find pleasing to look at

 

I was raised in the theory that the word patina is reserved for a thicker surface color that is rooted into the coin in such a way that removing it would destroy the surface. That theory held the term Tiber Patina to be inappropriate and more like 'river toned' or 'water coin'. Similarly Sand Patinas are not patinas but 'soil impacted'. Such terminology differences come from us learning the hobby through different sources that were opinionated beyond any scientific level. I am wholly unsure how you tell a real Tiber tone coin from a cleaned and in process of retoning coin. I do like having a certain number of yellow brass coins that are still yellow (however they got that way). For the record, I do not collect 12 Caesars --- some have collected me.
Claudius sestertius

Nero dupondius

Vespasian dupondius

Titus sestertius

Domitian dupondius


Did any of these coins do time in the Tiber or other water? I can not say.

 

Thank you Clavdivs - very nice of you to say that. It looks to me that someone tried to “enhance” the surface by attempting to clean it - before I purchased it. If so, thank goodness they did very little.

Added via Edit - here is the coin Claudius was referencing:



RIC Vol. I, NERO, As, Lugdunum, No. 543 (AD 66)

Obverse: Nero, bare headed facing right

Inscription clockwise from bottom: IMP NERO CAESAR AVG P MAX TRP P P

Reverse: Winged Victory, walking left, holding shield inscribed SPQR

Inscription: S -------- C (left and right)

 

I especially like the Nero dupondius.