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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;medoraman, post: 8671607, member: 26302&quot;]Similar. The one thing about manual work is it takes a toll. I have relatives who spent their life in the trades and can hardly walk/bad backs, etc. Not all, and seems like [USER=77704]@panzerman[/USER] found himself a good outdoors niche without hopefully the hardest parts involved. However, I tell anyone who will listen college is not needed. If you are a self starting, hard working person you can make as much or more in trades than college majors. This coming from someone who also graduated from what I call the &quot;21st grade&quot;.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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