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<p>[QUOTE="Sulla80, post: 4404111, member: 99456"]Being interested in the Roman republic, I wanted to have one example of these lumps of bronze that once facilitated trade. Aes formatum or aes rude? Here are the definitions that I used to decide "<i>aes formatum</i>" - is there a well accepted classification?</p><p><br /></p><blockquote><p>"Aes rude are amorphous pieces of bronze of irregular weight without any official stamp or mark while aes formatum are pieces of bronze which have a certain shape."</p><p>- <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/documents/BERTOL_FARAC_Aes_rude_and_aes_formatum.pdf" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/documents/BERTOL_FARAC_Aes_rude_and_aes_formatum.pdf" rel="nofollow">Bertol & Farac</a> (2012, Aes rude and aes formatum - a new topology based on the revised Mazin Hoard</p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p>also the definition on <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=Aes%20Rude" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=Aes%20Rude" rel="nofollow">this page</a>:</p><blockquote><p>"Still today, some authorities call these cast shapes aes rude, some call them both aes rude and aes formatum (classifying aes formatum is a type of aes rude), and others identify the cast shapes as aes formatum only (with aes rude the precursor to and different from aes formatum)."</p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p>I added a denarius to the photo to show the scale - a little over 615 grams and 103 cubic centimeters of bronze. This one a quadrilateral, brick-shaped ingot. This is the only "coin" I have that might have other uses: hammer, paperweight, doorstop...while the numbers from this <a href="https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/research/monetary-history-of-the-world/roman-empire/the-monetary-history-of-the-roman-republic/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/research/monetary-history-of-the-world/roman-empire/the-monetary-history-of-the-roman-republic/" rel="nofollow">site</a> do suggest that bronze was an improvement in portability vs. oxen (100 lbs of bronze = 1 ox), both seem a bit inconvenient to carry.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1106650[/ATTACH] </p><p>Roman Republican, <i>aes formatum</i>, rough brick shape, ~5th-4th century BC, Central Italy (ex private collection ex Munich auction house 1990s)</p><p><b>Obv:</b> oxidized bronze<b> Rev:</b> oxidized bronze<b> Size:</b> 615g, 103 cubic cm.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Sulla80, post: 4404111, member: 99456"]Being interested in the Roman republic, I wanted to have one example of these lumps of bronze that once facilitated trade. Aes formatum or aes rude? Here are the definitions that I used to decide "[I]aes formatum[/I]" - is there a well accepted classification? [INDENT]"Aes rude are amorphous pieces of bronze of irregular weight without any official stamp or mark while aes formatum are pieces of bronze which have a certain shape." - [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/documents/BERTOL_FARAC_Aes_rude_and_aes_formatum.pdf']Bertol & Farac[/URL] (2012, Aes rude and aes formatum - a new topology based on the revised Mazin Hoard[/INDENT] also the definition on [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=Aes%20Rude']this page[/URL]: [INDENT]"Still today, some authorities call these cast shapes aes rude, some call them both aes rude and aes formatum (classifying aes formatum is a type of aes rude), and others identify the cast shapes as aes formatum only (with aes rude the precursor to and different from aes formatum)."[/INDENT] I added a denarius to the photo to show the scale - a little over 615 grams and 103 cubic centimeters of bronze. This one a quadrilateral, brick-shaped ingot. This is the only "coin" I have that might have other uses: hammer, paperweight, doorstop...while the numbers from this [URL='https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/research/monetary-history-of-the-world/roman-empire/the-monetary-history-of-the-roman-republic/']site[/URL] do suggest that bronze was an improvement in portability vs. oxen (100 lbs of bronze = 1 ox), both seem a bit inconvenient to carry. [ATTACH=full]1106650[/ATTACH] Roman Republican, [I]aes formatum[/I], rough brick shape, ~5th-4th century BC, Central Italy (ex private collection ex Munich auction house 1990s) [B]Obv:[/B] oxidized bronze[B] Rev:[/B] oxidized bronze[B] Size:[/B] 615g, 103 cubic cm.[/QUOTE]
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