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<p>[QUOTE="Stephan77, post: 2225702, member: 74244"]'The mark appears to be on the coin, but that's ok."</p><p><br /></p><p>Nope, to me it's not ok on a modern proof coin graded 67. In my opinion a mark such as this could have been on the planchet, in which case the planchet should have been rejected by the mint. Likely if it's on there, it happened from careless handling, perhaps from a scissors cutting open the mint wrapped plastic, which in my view should at that point no way receive a 67 grade. Technically at that point it's really not even an uncirculated coin any longer.</p><p><br /></p><p>"There is absolutely no way to tell if the coin has been dipped based on those pictures."</p><p><br /></p><p>I'm going by the fact that it is in an old green holder, and if it was dipped back then, I think that the coin would have been discolored in various ways by now associated with dipping. The toning looks undipped and natural to me as a 1954 silver coin should be if stored properly. The year 1954 proof coins are notorious for discoloration because of the type of plastic the mint used. However I'm not sure at what point in time the discoloration from the plastic began to take place. I think it's possible with this coin, it was taken out of the mint plastic early, placed in a quality 2x2 holder, and then finally slabbed years ago - that's what I'm hopeful about anyway.</p><p><br /></p><p>"Conservation is (almost) always acceptable, cleaning is (usually) not."</p><p><br /></p><p>As far as cleaning and dipping, let's tell it like it is...almost all of the time it's done for profit, and that's okay, but let's not pretend with most coin cleaning and dipping that conservation is the motivation. The coins that I plan on keeping, until death do us part, I would never clean or dip them.</p><p><br /></p><p>"The lighting may have exaggerated the mark. With just the wrong lighting, a very tiny tickmark may look like a glaring gash."</p><p><br /></p><p>Perhaps you're right, and if that's the case, maybe I can get past my usual coin collecting criteria, accept the tiny mark and enjoy the coin - I'm just not sure at this point.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Stephan77, post: 2225702, member: 74244"]'The mark appears to be on the coin, but that's ok." Nope, to me it's not ok on a modern proof coin graded 67. In my opinion a mark such as this could have been on the planchet, in which case the planchet should have been rejected by the mint. Likely if it's on there, it happened from careless handling, perhaps from a scissors cutting open the mint wrapped plastic, which in my view should at that point no way receive a 67 grade. Technically at that point it's really not even an uncirculated coin any longer. "There is absolutely no way to tell if the coin has been dipped based on those pictures." I'm going by the fact that it is in an old green holder, and if it was dipped back then, I think that the coin would have been discolored in various ways by now associated with dipping. The toning looks undipped and natural to me as a 1954 silver coin should be if stored properly. The year 1954 proof coins are notorious for discoloration because of the type of plastic the mint used. However I'm not sure at what point in time the discoloration from the plastic began to take place. I think it's possible with this coin, it was taken out of the mint plastic early, placed in a quality 2x2 holder, and then finally slabbed years ago - that's what I'm hopeful about anyway. "Conservation is (almost) always acceptable, cleaning is (usually) not." As far as cleaning and dipping, let's tell it like it is...almost all of the time it's done for profit, and that's okay, but let's not pretend with most coin cleaning and dipping that conservation is the motivation. The coins that I plan on keeping, until death do us part, I would never clean or dip them. "The lighting may have exaggerated the mark. With just the wrong lighting, a very tiny tickmark may look like a glaring gash." Perhaps you're right, and if that's the case, maybe I can get past my usual coin collecting criteria, accept the tiny mark and enjoy the coin - I'm just not sure at this point.[/QUOTE]
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