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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 2225343, member: 112"]Yes a dipped coin is absolutely a cleaned coin. But the operative word there is "cleaned". You see, there is nothing wrong with cleaning a coin. There is only something wrong with harshly cleaning a coin. </p><p><br /></p><p>That's the entire issue - people put entirely the wrong definition on the word clean, cleaned, cleaning. 9 out of 10 times when someone says any form of the word clean what they really mean is harshly cleaned. But they have the shortened the phrase to just the one word instead of using the correct terminology as they should. </p><p><br /></p><p>So it is not the fact that there different degrees of cleaning, it is that there are different methods of cleaning. Proper methods of cleaning are perfectly acceptable because they do no harm to the coin. Improper methods are not acceptable because they do harm the coin. So those different methods must be distinguished from one another by using the correct terminology - cleaning and harsh cleaning.</p><p><br /></p><p>For example - if a coin has some dirt on it and you squish it, rinse it in distilled water to remove that dirt, and successfully do so. Have you harmed that coin ? No you have not. But have you cleaned that coin ? Yes of course you have, removing dirt or something from a coin is the very meaning of cleaning it. It's no different than washing your hands - you have cleaned your hands. But you didn't harm your hands by doing so, nor have you harmed the coin by doing so.</p><p><br /></p><p>But if you were to take a piece of steel wool and rubbed your hands while cleaning them, yes you would harm your hands. Same thing with the coin if you use steel wool on it. Both your hands and the coin would have been harshly cleaned and harmed.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now the reason people get confused when it comes to dipping a coin and sometimes consider any dipping to be harsh cleaning is because dipping a coin improperly can indeed harm the coin. But what they don't realize or understand is that dipping a coin properly does not harm the coin. On the contrary, it quite often even prevents harm from being done to the coin. And that is why dipping also has its different forms of word usage. There is dipping and that is acceptable because it does no harm. And then there is over-dipping that is not acceptable because it does do harm. Dipping equates to cleaning, and over-dipping equates to harsh cleaning.</p><p><br /></p><p>It's just like it is with many other things in life, the right amount of a good thing, is a good thing. But too much of a good thing is a bad thing.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 2225343, member: 112"]Yes a dipped coin is absolutely a cleaned coin. But the operative word there is "cleaned". You see, there is nothing wrong with cleaning a coin. There is only something wrong with harshly cleaning a coin. That's the entire issue - people put entirely the wrong definition on the word clean, cleaned, cleaning. 9 out of 10 times when someone says any form of the word clean what they really mean is harshly cleaned. But they have the shortened the phrase to just the one word instead of using the correct terminology as they should. So it is not the fact that there different degrees of cleaning, it is that there are different methods of cleaning. Proper methods of cleaning are perfectly acceptable because they do no harm to the coin. Improper methods are not acceptable because they do harm the coin. So those different methods must be distinguished from one another by using the correct terminology - cleaning and harsh cleaning. For example - if a coin has some dirt on it and you squish it, rinse it in distilled water to remove that dirt, and successfully do so. Have you harmed that coin ? No you have not. But have you cleaned that coin ? Yes of course you have, removing dirt or something from a coin is the very meaning of cleaning it. It's no different than washing your hands - you have cleaned your hands. But you didn't harm your hands by doing so, nor have you harmed the coin by doing so. But if you were to take a piece of steel wool and rubbed your hands while cleaning them, yes you would harm your hands. Same thing with the coin if you use steel wool on it. Both your hands and the coin would have been harshly cleaned and harmed. Now the reason people get confused when it comes to dipping a coin and sometimes consider any dipping to be harsh cleaning is because dipping a coin improperly can indeed harm the coin. But what they don't realize or understand is that dipping a coin properly does not harm the coin. On the contrary, it quite often even prevents harm from being done to the coin. And that is why dipping also has its different forms of word usage. There is dipping and that is acceptable because it does no harm. And then there is over-dipping that is not acceptable because it does do harm. Dipping equates to cleaning, and over-dipping equates to harsh cleaning. It's just like it is with many other things in life, the right amount of a good thing, is a good thing. But too much of a good thing is a bad thing.[/QUOTE]
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