Any help with attributing this Licinius follis?

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  1. Luke B

    Luke B Active Member

    Hey everyone,

    Recently won a group lot of folles from Roma Numismatics and I am going through fully identifying them and making labels for them. Thankfully all are easily legible, however I also want to include references to their RIC numbers if I can find them. Unfortunately I only have volume VI which appears to cover about half of the ones I have!

    Here is the latest one I have been looking at:
    Licinius Coin from Thessalonica.PNG
    What I have so far is
    Laureate head r.
    Jupiter standing with his head facing r., leaning on sceptre with l. hand, in r. hand victory atop a globe. Eagle with a wreath in beak to the l.
    Mint mark Dot TS Dot Epsilon Dot (The dots are much more prevalent in real life, I need to practice coin photography).

    So it is from the mint at Thessalonica, however the last coinage covered by RIC VI does have same mint mark, but not the same reverse legend. Does anyone happen to know the number for this coin in RIC VII? (I am assuming it would be near the beginning since the mint mark appears at the end of the period that VI ends at).

    Does anyone else have any coins of Licinius or from Thessalonica to share?

    Thanks guys,
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  4. dougsmit

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    You may have trouble finding people who understand how the decisions were made as to where to break RIC volumes. Constantine and Licinius were on the scene and issued too many coins to fit in one book. Wherever they selected would have had problems.

    Mine is not a match for yours. Mine is RIC volume VI page 519, 60 and is the last Licinius in volume VI for this mint.

    I believe (I am no expert in this period!) yours is RIC volume VII, page 498, 3 on the first page of that volume's section on this mint. The break point here was the death of Maximinus II. Coins like mine are found in his name but coins like yours are not. They had to break them somewhere. We might have chosen somewhere else but I don't know where. I suggest you buy volumes VII and VIII and pretend the three are all in one huge book.
  5. dougsmit

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    BTW, RIC lists your coin as rare but I suspect the surfaces would lower its sales results since the number of people collecting rare Licinius coins is greatly outnumbered by people who want pretty coins. I got mine for $10 from Victor Failmezger in 2000 but it was not used in his book.
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  6. Luke B

    Luke B Active Member

    Thanks to both of you! That spreadsheet is perfect for what I needed. I do believe it is number 3 as you say Doug.

    It is mind boggling how big those three books are compared to previous volumes when you consider the length of time that they cover! I am definitely going to try and purchase those two volumes in the near future.
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