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<p>[QUOTE="Gavin Richardson, post: 2811140, member: 83956"]Perhaps this is too complex a question. <b>But how can the intermediate collector recognize "transfer die" forgeries? </b>I think I'm getting pretty decent at spotting cast fakes. How can a person just eyeball a coin and say, "Yep. Transfer die forgery"? If it's because the coin looks eerily similar to another coin, why can't that be a simple die match? Is there any detail that would give the "transfer die forgery" away?</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's what I understand: "<i>Transfer dies: </i>These are the most common used and also the most deceptive. The counterfeiters actually create a working die this time, but since they are using the same die all imperfections struck from those dies will go onto the coins." -- <a href="http://www.coinsarefun.com/2013-03-02-20-19-38/understanding-counterfeit-coins" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinsarefun.com/2013-03-02-20-19-38/understanding-counterfeit-coins" rel="nofollow">http://www.coinsarefun.com/2013-03-02-20-19-38/understanding-counterfeit-coins</a></p><p><br /></p><p>This article from <i>Coinsweekly </i>suggests recognizing transfer die fakes really is a matter of knowing all the known dies: "Fakes coming from transfer dies are so dangerous, because these fakes have neither the characteristics of casts nor the characteristics of coins that have been struck with newly cut dies. You neither can recognize them by looking for casting holes, nor by comparing the style with a surely original coin. You have to apply a different method in order to detect transfer dies: the die study, the comparison of all known specimens that were struck with the same die. Doing a die study is a hard and lengthy business, but it is no witchcraft. You will need a good library containing as many auction catalogues as possible and you have to spend a lot of time in order to collect as many specimens of the same die as the questioned piece as possible.... As the fake that was made by a transfer die must have the same characteristics as its 'mother piece', it becomes possible to detect these fakes as soon as there is known either a brother or the mother. And as most counterfeiters do not produce only one fake, but a series, detection of this special group of fakes is possible." <a href="http://www.coinsweekly.com/en/Archive/How-to-detect-forgeries/8?&id=16&type=a" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinsweekly.com/en/Archive/How-to-detect-forgeries/8?&id=16&type=a" rel="nofollow">http://www.coinsweekly.com/en/Archive/How-to-detect-forgeries/8?&id=16&type=a</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Gavin Richardson, post: 2811140, member: 83956"]Perhaps this is too complex a question. [B]But how can the intermediate collector recognize "transfer die" forgeries? [/B]I think I'm getting pretty decent at spotting cast fakes. How can a person just eyeball a coin and say, "Yep. Transfer die forgery"? If it's because the coin looks eerily similar to another coin, why can't that be a simple die match? Is there any detail that would give the "transfer die forgery" away? Here's what I understand: "[I]Transfer dies: [/I]These are the most common used and also the most deceptive. The counterfeiters actually create a working die this time, but since they are using the same die all imperfections struck from those dies will go onto the coins." -- [url]http://www.coinsarefun.com/2013-03-02-20-19-38/understanding-counterfeit-coins[/url] This article from [I]Coinsweekly [/I]suggests recognizing transfer die fakes really is a matter of knowing all the known dies: "Fakes coming from transfer dies are so dangerous, because these fakes have neither the characteristics of casts nor the characteristics of coins that have been struck with newly cut dies. You neither can recognize them by looking for casting holes, nor by comparing the style with a surely original coin. You have to apply a different method in order to detect transfer dies: the die study, the comparison of all known specimens that were struck with the same die. Doing a die study is a hard and lengthy business, but it is no witchcraft. You will need a good library containing as many auction catalogues as possible and you have to spend a lot of time in order to collect as many specimens of the same die as the questioned piece as possible.... As the fake that was made by a transfer die must have the same characteristics as its 'mother piece', it becomes possible to detect these fakes as soon as there is known either a brother or the mother. And as most counterfeiters do not produce only one fake, but a series, detection of this special group of fakes is possible." [url]http://www.coinsweekly.com/en/Archive/How-to-detect-forgeries/8?&id=16&type=a[/url][/QUOTE]
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