Any Guesses? Countermarked Greek AE

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by SeptimusT, Nov 10, 2019.

  1. SeptimusT

    SeptimusT Well-Known Member

    Any guesses on what this type is? It is distinct enough that I feel like I should’ve found it, but no such luck. Unless it’s a very crude horse, I see a goat left, countermarked with a thunderbolt within oval incuse and a helmet or bull’s head. I found a helmet/thunderbolt combo on coins from Pontos, but those thunderbolts are in a rectangular incuse...

    Oh, and before anyone asks why I didn’t post the obverse - that’s because it’s completely smooth.

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  3. Brian Bucklan

    Brian Bucklan Well-Known Member

    Not sure how large your coin is but it looks very similar to this 20mm type from Termessos Pisidia

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  4. pprp

    pprp Well-Known Member

    Could be forepart of horse to the left. If you could report the weight it will be easier
     
  5. SeptimusT

    SeptimusT Well-Known Member

    Silly me, forgetting to include weight and measurement! It is: 20mm, 3.69g. I'll certainly buy that the Pisidia coin could be it. Right size and weight, with a hint of inscription beneath the horse that I suspect could be TEP. Still don't see any countermarked examples, though, which would seal the deal completely.
     
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  6. Brian Bucklan

    Brian Bucklan Well-Known Member

    By the way, the upper countermark is actually a bucranium
     
  7. SeptimusT

    SeptimusT Well-Known Member

    That was my first guess, then I saw the similar looking helmet countermarks on the Pontos coins and second guessed myself. Anyway, I'll keep looking and see if I can find some similar examples. I do see the thunderbolt shows up on some of these issues as a design element. Wish there was a good place to look for Greek countermarks.
     
  8. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Very attractive countermarks - I did some poking around and couldn't find anything, however.
     
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