Any Experts out there on toning / rainbow Morgans? see pics

Lol you'd just argue with it anyway if someone bothered to take the time to tell you how. There's plenty of threads on it if you really want to learn something. At this point like @Pickin and Grinin I am only responding so people reading don't mistake what you are saying as a fact. I do have to say though I've never known a serious collector not to know what coin dip is

 

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you want to put me on ignore but what? you love the drama! thats why! and misinformation on what? how its wrong to clean coins? thats pretty basic coin collecting. your statement shows you adding fuel to the fire.

 

OK Joe, I think that is enough. Sure people know how to use 'dips' effectively and unobtrusively. And they have posted such in the forum. You can search for the threads, or just read a lot. However, there is no one way fits all, that is where the experience and study plays a part. If some one says 'do it this way', a reader will mess it up and then claim 'foul' when it is their own fault. It is to me an unattractive coin, I won't comment on the toning, but it is not a coin I would buy, but many would. You are on the edge here with your language , so cool it, read the rules. The forum can answer most questions , but certain members tend to expect a specific answer, rather than a reasonable one. And it seems that conflict will continue whether someone is trying to help or not, so I suggest if no one is going to answer ( and no one is ever required to answer to another member), it be dropped. Thanks Jim

 

what im saying is fact! a serious collector would not ever clean or even dip a coin, and I ruffled many peoples feathers making this accurate statement. yes serious collectors don't dip in jewelry cleaner or whatever you use and of course ive heard of dipping just not something i would ever do.

 

True, it really depends...



...and to add sth meaningful to the thread, I'd leave the conservation to a professional (i.e. a TPG service).

 

I guess I have to read this thread now and probably reply before Doug or Jim kills it

 

This whole statement is pure ridiculousness. This thread should be fun to read!

 

Joe, I wouldn't say that is not true at all, as there are many different personal rules of their own that collectors get a mindset and follow, and sure, there are some that believe as you do. But dipping with acid chemicals has been going on by Major dealers over 100 years. In the 1950's almost every silver coin was 'blast white' as that is what the customer wanted. Blast white after 80 years???? Any chemist knew that would be very rare if untouched chemically. Many coin dealers and collectors were killed by their hobby activities by using cyanide as a dip...some still do, but it is harder to get. Then colored coins became the Big thing and that is what started filling the shows and advertisements....and Then AT became the situation it is today. a skilled technician knows the difference and can duplicate it 95% of the time without being caught. Anyone who can say they are always correct is almost surely a liar, as even TPGs do not always get it correct. That is why most dealers use 'market acceptable ' now. Read the rules, we are strict. Jim

 

Ok, scanned it. Joe, you are full of half-truths and wild assumptions mixed with an unwillingness to learn. A dangerous, and expensive, combo. But it is perfectly suited for hilarious forum fodder. Either get serious and study up or save your money and start collecting beanie babies.

 

I said it in the last thread, and i will say it again. Coin is very suspect, especially that burnt orange throughout the obverse

 

ok so everyone is dipping and cleaning their coins, so I should follow the masses? you should know by now masses are asses. explain to my half truths? apparently everyone's dipping away I say its wrong can interfere with coins sheen. there is no evidence to support your claim of dipping, you are confusing this statement of me "unwilling to learn" with simple debating.

 

ridiculous is you stating nothing and going with the flow, like the other dead fish, yeah its the new trend everyone's dipping and polishing away. so I will just follow what so many are doing? and so many up in arms bc they dip and I say its wrong, dipping only for coins unearthed or covered in tar extreme last measure maybe.

 

JOEinSTLOUIS, posted: "A serious collector would not ever clean or even dip a coin, and I ruffled many peoples feathers making this accurate statement. yes serious collectors don't dip in jewelry cleaner or whatever you use and of course ive heard of dipping just not something i would ever do."

I'm glad they let you stay around Joe. I suggest you read the moderator's two posts above this post. I'm sorry that I'm not in the mood to answer your specific question as I don't feel like arguing.

Here is an actual fact rather than some of the nonsense and misinformation in this thread:

I am not a "serious collector." I am a "serious" professional numismatist. I have personally PROPERLY conserved, cleaned, "dipped", brushed, and washed thousands of coins in the past (some did not come out so good ) and I continue to do it (so far seven US and foreign coins today). I know several serious collectors and dealers who do the same on a daily basis. I have heard that the folks at NCS do hundreds of coins on some days.

There is plenty of good rudimentary info on the Internet about cleaning coins. There is misinformation also. Much of the "good" information concerning methods and chemicals is not known by the general public. It is of a proprietary nature as companies such as NCS charge for the service. Most of us who dip coins are basically self-taught. I'll bet some of us even have a little training by professional conservation specialists under their belt!

The proper (cleaning) conservation of coins can be learned with research and much trial and error. If you take a conservation class, you'll be ahead of most but you'll still need personal experience. Good Luck.

 

Not sure why my post keeps screwing up, but anyways the jist was that you clearly don't want opinions you just want to satisfy your own views with confirmation bias. Who cares what others think of the coin if you like it.

 

No. You shouldn't. You don't know what you're doing. Case in point: Coins don't have "sheen"

 

There is a flow everyone needs to follow. It's called market acceptance. And dipping and polishing are two wildly different things. Educate yourself before you speak dude

 

I tried my hand at conserving 3 coins recently for the first time. 2 came out fantastic and I couldn't be happier. 1 coin had a lot of cuts and bruises hiding underneath it's patina and now looks worse but I'm still happy I did it since I learned a lesson in the process: no matter how much you go over a coin with a fine tooth comb, you don't know what's hiding under there sometimes.

 

Cascade, posted: "You don't know what you're doing. Case in point: Coins don't have "sheen."

Actually they do. "SHEEN" is defined as a shining brightness, esp. on a polished surface. Many mechanically altered coins have "sheen."

 

IBetASilverDollar, posted: "...I'm still happy I did it since I learned a lesson in the process: no matter how much you go over a coin with a fine tooth comb, you don't know what's hiding under there sometimes."

Very true. That's why a stereo microscope gives a conservator a little "edge."