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<p>[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24804645, member: 26430"]Ah, yes, good idea to search <i>Gegenstempel</i>! In general, countermarks seem especially well-known & studied in German. (A few very good books on Central European Gegenstempel in the RPC era.)</p><p><br /></p><p>It looks to me like you were correct in seeing yours as Hermes in petasos. It's quite a clear specimen, very well stamped. Until there's enough information to be certain, I would assume there are at least two types: Perseus in Phrygian helmet and, seemingly much scarcer, Hermes in petasos. (I think my head is different from yours, possibly the Perseus, but could be a third; I'll need to keep researching it!)</p><p><br /></p><p>* <i><b>EDIT</b></i>: A few countermark references available online, cut-&-pasted from my bibliography (I have more, incl. some specific to regions, periods, or host types, but I don't want to fill a whole page, so just some general refs.):</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Werz-Bech Countermarks (Gegenstempel) </b>= <b>Werz</b> U. 2004. <i>Gegenstempel auf Reichsund Provinzialpragungen der romischen Kaiserzeit. Katalog der <b>Sammlung Dr. Konrad Bech</b>, Mainz</i>. Numismatische Gesellschaft Speyer, Band 45. Softcover, 183pp., 12 plates, German text. </p><blockquote><p><font size="4">[<a href="https://www.academia.edu/12570019/Gegenstempel_auf_Reichs_und_Provinzialpr%C3%A4gungen_der_r%C3%B6mischen_Kaiserzeit_Katalog_der_Sammlung_Dr_Konrad_Bech_Mainz_Speyer_2004_183_Seiten_12_Tafeln_Broschur_Schriftenreihe_der_Numismatischen_Gesellschaft_Speyer_Bd_45_" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.academia.edu/12570019/Gegenstempel_auf_Reichs_und_Provinzialpr%C3%A4gungen_der_r%C3%B6mischen_Kaiserzeit_Katalog_der_Sammlung_Dr_Konrad_Bech_Mainz_Speyer_2004_183_Seiten_12_Tafeln_Broschur_Schriftenreihe_der_Numismatischen_Gesellschaft_Speyer_Bd_45_" rel="nofollow">Preview (partial, no plates) on academia</a>] Interesting cataloging, each entry diagramming the placement, shape, and orientation of the countermark.</font></p><p><font size="4"><b>Ulrich Werz (2009)</b> <b>DOWNLOADS = </b>Much larger study & database available here, full-text of Werz’ dissertation on countermarks (very valuable): <a href="http://publikationen.ub.uni-frankfurt.de/frontdoor/index/index/docId/6876" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://publikationen.ub.uni-frankfurt.de/frontdoor/index/index/docId/6876" rel="nofollow">http://publikationen.ub.uni-frankfurt.de/frontdoor/index/index/docId/6876</a></font></p></blockquote><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>RPC Countermarks: </b>From RPC Online: <a href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/countermark" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/countermark" rel="nofollow">https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/countermark</a></p><blockquote><p><font size="4">First 19.5 of 26 pp. (c. 968 / 1272 entries [RPC CM 1272 = GIC 854, but ~305 in between marked as “GIC –”]) are cross-referenced to Howgego, including subtypes, GIC 1 through GIC 850, 850i, and 850ii (= RPC CM 966, 967, 968)</font></p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p><b>Andreas Pangerl</b>, Museum of Countermaks on Roman Coins = <a href="http://romancoins.info/Countermarks.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://romancoins.info/Countermarks.html" rel="nofollow">http://romancoins.info/Countermarks.html</a></p><p><br /></p><p><b>Martini-Pangerl = </b>Rudolfo Martini (2003) <i>The Pangerl Collection - Catalog and Commentary on the Countermarked Roman Imperial Coins</i>. (Nomismata 6.) Edizioni Ennerre. On Martini’s Academia page: <a href="https://www.academia.edu/3821963/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.academia.edu/3821963/" rel="nofollow">https://www.academia.edu/3821963/</a></p><p><br /></p><p><b>Hourmouziadis </b><i>Countermark Thesaurus</i> = <a href="https://hourmo.eu/53_Countermarks/Countermarks_Thesaurus.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://hourmo.eu/53_Countermarks/Countermarks_Thesaurus.html" rel="nofollow">https://hourmo.eu/53_Countermarks/Countermarks_Thesaurus.html</a> </p><p><br /></p><p><i><b>SEE ALSO (Collection</b> </i><b><i>Examples, CT)</i></b>:</p><blockquote><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/show-your-marks.295896/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/show-your-marks.295896/">show your marks | Coin Talk</a> (CT 295986, 6 May 2017 – 5 Mar 2018, 5 Pages)</p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/post-your-c-s-c-m-ancients.315294/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/post-your-c-s-c-m-ancients.315294/">Post Your C/S C/M Ancients | Coin Talk</a> (CT 315294, 24 April – 29 Oct 2018, 3 Pages) </p></blockquote><p>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24804645, member: 26430"]Ah, yes, good idea to search [I]Gegenstempel[/I]! In general, countermarks seem especially well-known & studied in German. (A few very good books on Central European Gegenstempel in the RPC era.) It looks to me like you were correct in seeing yours as Hermes in petasos. It's quite a clear specimen, very well stamped. Until there's enough information to be certain, I would assume there are at least two types: Perseus in Phrygian helmet and, seemingly much scarcer, Hermes in petasos. (I think my head is different from yours, possibly the Perseus, but could be a third; I'll need to keep researching it!) * [I][B]EDIT[/B][/I]: A few countermark references available online, cut-&-pasted from my bibliography (I have more, incl. some specific to regions, periods, or host types, but I don't want to fill a whole page, so just some general refs.): [B]Werz-Bech Countermarks (Gegenstempel) [/B]= [B]Werz[/B] U. 2004. [I]Gegenstempel auf Reichsund Provinzialpragungen der romischen Kaiserzeit. Katalog der [B]Sammlung Dr. Konrad Bech[/B], Mainz[/I]. Numismatische Gesellschaft Speyer, Band 45. Softcover, 183pp., 12 plates, German text. [INDENT][SIZE=4][[URL='https://www.academia.edu/12570019/Gegenstempel_auf_Reichs_und_Provinzialpr%C3%A4gungen_der_r%C3%B6mischen_Kaiserzeit_Katalog_der_Sammlung_Dr_Konrad_Bech_Mainz_Speyer_2004_183_Seiten_12_Tafeln_Broschur_Schriftenreihe_der_Numismatischen_Gesellschaft_Speyer_Bd_45_']Preview (partial, no plates) on academia[/URL]] Interesting cataloging, each entry diagramming the placement, shape, and orientation of the countermark. [B]Ulrich Werz (2009)[/B] [B]DOWNLOADS = [/B]Much larger study & database available here, full-text of Werz’ dissertation on countermarks (very valuable): [URL]http://publikationen.ub.uni-frankfurt.de/frontdoor/index/index/docId/6876[/URL][/SIZE][/INDENT] [B] RPC Countermarks: [/B]From RPC Online: [URL]https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/countermark[/URL] [INDENT][SIZE=4]First 19.5 of 26 pp. (c. 968 / 1272 entries [RPC CM 1272 = GIC 854, but ~305 in between marked as “GIC –”]) are cross-referenced to Howgego, including subtypes, GIC 1 through GIC 850, 850i, and 850ii (= RPC CM 966, 967, 968)[/SIZE][/INDENT] [B]Andreas Pangerl[/B], Museum of Countermaks on Roman Coins = [URL]http://romancoins.info/Countermarks.html[/URL] [B]Martini-Pangerl = [/B]Rudolfo Martini (2003) [I]The Pangerl Collection - Catalog and Commentary on the Countermarked Roman Imperial Coins[/I]. (Nomismata 6.) Edizioni Ennerre. On Martini’s Academia page: [URL]https://www.academia.edu/3821963/[/URL] [B]Hourmouziadis [/B][I]Countermark Thesaurus[/I] = [URL]https://hourmo.eu/53_Countermarks/Countermarks_Thesaurus.html[/URL] [I][B]SEE ALSO (Collection[/B] [/I][B][I]Examples, CT)[/I][/B]: [INDENT][URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/show-your-marks.295896/']show your marks | Coin Talk[/URL] (CT 295986, 6 May 2017 – 5 Mar 2018, 5 Pages) [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/post-your-c-s-c-m-ancients.315294/']Post Your C/S C/M Ancients | Coin Talk[/URL] (CT 315294, 24 April – 29 Oct 2018, 3 Pages) [/INDENT][/QUOTE]
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