Any collectors of Imperial Russian Coins here??

irinia59: Very nice coins, beautiful in fact. Quite a nice collection you have there.

Rhino89: That is a beautiful 1912 Ruble, very nice example, with a great portrait.

zantetsuken: Those are very nice 1921 and 1924 Roubles, and the rest of your coins are quite interesting.

 

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Nice old copper!!!:thumb:

 

I do like the copper, but to keep them safe, it's little bit complicated for me, that why I decide to have just Sibirya coins.
Something about coins for country under Russia power, all this unanswered questions in history are interesting for me. I'm confused about Sibirya in this period of time, in some resource it's country separate from Russia, but in same time , in historical paper the call Sibirya like gubernia. All this questions about Suzun Mint, why they quit mint Sibirya coins and switch to regular coins?
Here another example of surrogate money for Georgia by Tiflis Mint
it was double abaz;abz;half-abaz;double abaz and abaz
They mint them from 1826-1833, I do have few them.
and I could not find photo of Sadogura Mint for Moldova, I have just one coin
2 para - 3 copeek.

 

In the XVIII century we are (siberians) used not only Russian imperial coins, but a special Siberian coins too. But since XVI century Siberia - is a Russian land. It's the huge country rich with minerals, oil gas, gold, dimonds etc. But a population of Siberia isn't numerous. I was born and live in Tomskaya oblast, that has an area 314391 sq.km. and a population about 1043000 only. We have only 5 towns and a several villages in Tomskaya oblast.

 

well, I hope you were not born in time of Emp. Katherina? Were you?

in 1763 - 1781 Suzun Mint started to coinage of special issue - Sibyrian coins .
1) why did they do that? what was the reason for this issue?

2) why before 1760 it was enough coins for this far away territory, and not enough after?

3) If Sibyria belonged to Russia, and was like territory, why the coins do not have Russian Eagle on it? they have symbol of Sibyria-2 big cats hold the shield.

4)what was the point for mint the coins just to use inside in this territory, and they were not acceptable anywhere else?
5) Why the Suzun Mint started regular coinage for Russia in 1781?
and all Sibyrian coins were or recoinage or destroyed?

it's a lot of questions there.
how about the same situation with a rest of territory Moldova, Georgia,Poland,Finland
seams for me very identical.

 

O.K., O.K., Irina59! I'll try to answer on your questions.:hail:
1. Catherine the Great ordered to make a copper coins from the Kolyvan's factory copper (this factory smelted a silver for the Russian coins and a copper was the waste from silver melt. Catherine has decided to use this copper for stamping of coins. But a copper was in enough quantity since 1763 only (and later). And this was the main reason why Siberian coins didn't produced before 1763.

 

2. Before 1763 Siberians hasn't enough quantity of imperial coins.

 

3. Siberia has a status of kingdom (as a part of Russian empire) and own arms: but not 2 cats - two sables. And Catherine the Great gave Siberians the right to producing own coins from own copper.

 

Hey - just found this thread - you guys are not alone. I don't have a lot of russian but I love them because those coins have style. My favorite is my Nicholas II 15 rouble.

 

Don't know why it wouldn't take the image of the reverse in my first post. This is my favorite part of the coin.
Hey Siberian Man - how are things on your side of the globe?

 

well, well well
hold your horse , not so fast, and definitely not so easy.
first of all, about silver copper - fairytale, the Sibyrian soins do not have and never had silver in copper in first place , the made Sibyrian coins until 1781, then the same Kolyvan's factory or Suzun Mint continued to make regular coinage for Russia , but all of sad em, it's no silver in coins anymore.


Or may be here completely another reason for that?
like Sibyria in this period of time was separate , big territory and not much money weak Kingdom, and more powerful Kingdom - like a Russia , though it's will be nice to have this tasty slice.
on map- Siberya named Tartaria.

 

Siberian Man and Irina59 keep discussing this so I can read and learn. This is very interesting. How old is that map?

 

2) Like I said before it's little bit confusing about status of Sibyria like a Kingdom, and relationship with Russia.
on Sibyrian coins -it's just fragment of full Sibyrian symbol, this how it should be, but it's not.
What could I read between the words?
Russia all ready show her power.

 

O, I forgot to say, you absolutely right about sable, my bad , was to tired.

the reason for, why Russia did not have the eagle on Sibyrian coins, because it was'not her territory., but why did they make a coins?
after victory , defeat of Pugachev ( do you remember him?), Russia got free access to Sibyria, when this happened? 1766!!!
After the big fire destroyed Kolyvan's factory in 1847, we do not have any proof in fact, when exactly they started to make Sibyrian Coins it's can be 1761-63-66??
Russia had big plan for capture Sibyria, and join this Kingdom to yourself.
Before this happened, Russian Imperial Coins could not be use in Sibyria.

 

map of Asia 1754

 

Wow! That's quite a history lesson, 'Irina59'. I especially loved the historic map of Siberia and Asia. Thanks for sharing, and by the way, welcome aboard.

 

In my side of the globe became a spring:smile. The weather is warm (about -13*Celsium).

 

Pardon me, Irina, but this map is uncorrect. You got it in Wikipedia, isn't it? So, Siberia was a nothern part ot "Tartaria" (green color on this map) but not a whole "Tartaria". Author of this map called as "Tartaria" not only Siberia, but Mongolia and a some of Chinese lands too! It's a big mistake!

 

Siberia became a Russian territory at the end of XVIth century. My hometown Tomsk was founded by Russian cossacs in 1604. And Russian coins used here since XVIIth century.

 

Emelian Pugachev was the impostor. He called himself "Peter III the Emperor". But Peter III (husband of Catherine the Great) was murdered in 1762. The mutiny of Pugachev started in 1773 (not in 1766!!!) and was supressed in 1775. Pugachev was executed in January 1775.
That mutiny don't interacted on Siberian status.