Yeap, feels like there is less interest. It also seems there is considerably less toned coins compared to US older ones. Not sure about the reason, the metals are the same in 90% silver coins. I`ve been on a couple of .ru coins forums while looking for some info, it seemed like toned coins are not among the popular topics. Maybe it is just considered damage.
Interesting... I've seen a similar response on another forum where I showed some of the Russian collectors the ebay auctions I posted earlier to toned 10 and 15 kopeks that fetched about 5-7x book value, and the response was also negative and critical of such coins. I think it makes the coin unique, though, I'm not sure why it's not popular... I wouldn't pay 5x book value for it, but this 1912 50 kopek I'd definitely do $50-60 on it: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170576700077 Who knows, maybe the Russian coin market will one day also hit a toning craze like the US coin market did, although I'm not sure how likely that may be... I'm interested to see Siberian Man's response as to how collectors abroad perceive the toning, maybe it is considered damage like you pointed out, Taxidermist.
There are a lot of collectors in the US who don't appreciate toning either. I would guess more don't like it than do, but that is just a guess. I think the feeling is universal, that is here and abroad, that while it might not necessarily constitute damage, it does detract from a coin's appeal. I think toning is probably an acquired taste.
Not a toned coin comment, but I was just looking at some of my paper money, and I have to say that the watermark on the 1912 500 Rouble is just incredible. JMHO. I need to post a few more of my russian notes....I'll do that.
I kind of like toned coins but i definitely wont pay more for the toning. If i need to pay even x2 for a toned coin, i will just move on until i find the same coin without toning and for the proper price. I guess majority of non-US collectors are doing the same. Maybe its about American mentality, they like flashy colorful things and monotonous metallic grey makes them bored easily This is a curious topic, i am going to see what are they saying about this on Russian forums. I believe the toning craze wont hit the Russian collectors, unless something extremely extraordinary happens.
* Off-topic, but the watermark is definitely spectacular, agreed I have a Russian banknote collection, too, from 1898 to 1991, and I'm actualyl working on a site that has photos and info on each one... so far I only finished the Imperial and Provisional sections: russian-money.blogspot.com The 1912 500 has a beautiful watermark, but I'd say overall the 1899 50 Rouble has the best design (the back of it has a lot of rich color that has not lost its appeal over 100 years)
The link in the text doesn't work, but the one in your signature works. Thanks. I have the 1898 and a bunch going forward from there. I'll do some research on your site!!! Thanks. bob
I thought about your comment earlier that there isn't much discussion about toning on Russian forums, and I realized that in a period of over a year, I've never seen a discussion of it either on another forum I'm active on... Copper Head, nice comment that it's an "acquired taste" I see that... and yeah, we shouldn't generalize that everyone in the US market likes toning, I've seen some agressive comments on toning threads here over disagreements over whether toning commands a premium.
First purchases of 2011!!! My first purchases of the New Year 1912 1 Rouble (EB mintmark) 1896 50 Kopeks (AG mintmark) Anyone else have any fresh items from the past few weeks?
Siberia Man, what do the 1924 1 Ruble and 1921 1 Ruble go for in Russia? I purchased those two coins here in the US for $85 for the pair and was wondering how the prices compared...
Here are a few Soviet and related coins from my collection. RUSSIAN S.F.S.R.~1 Ruble 1921 RUSSIAN S.F.S.R.~1 Chervonets 1976 U.S.S.R.~1 Kopek 1924 U.S.S.R.~1 Ruble 1924 The gold Chervonets was initially issued in 1923, then the same design was used again from 1975-1982 during the last years of the Brezhnev administration. The specimen listed is dated 1976 which is the most commonly found date.
This next series is are Soviet and related coinage. The first three are from the KHWAREZM SOVIET PEOPLES REPUBLIC (1920-1925). Formerly known as the Khanate of Khiva, Khwarezm was once a powerful empire from the late 11th to the early 13th centuries, and controlled most of Central Asia. The name 'Khwarezm' (sometimes also called Khorezm) was temporarily restored during the Soviet order between 1920 and 1925 before the republic was disolved, and incorporated into Uzbekistan. KHWAREZM SOVIET PEOPLES REPUBLIC~20 Ruble 1338 AH/1920 AD KHWAREZM SOVIET PEOPLES REPUBLIC~25 Ruble 1339 AH/1921 AD KHWAREZM SOVIET PEOPLES REPUBLIC~500 Ruble 1340 AH/1922 AD This next specimen is 5 Pennia from FINLAND issued by the Finnish Workers Movement. These were communist issued coins that circulated during the short but bitter 'Finnish Civil War' (27 January – 15 May 1918) between Red and White factions in the country. Unlike Russia, the Red regiments were defeated, and Finland soon became an independent republic. FINLAND (CIVIL WAR)~5 Pennia 1918
congrats to you! KHWAREZM SOVIET PEOPLES REPUBLIC coins are pretty much not cheap at all, about 300-400 $ each, no less, more rare is 20 roubles.