Any Chronogram collectors in our group?

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  1. John KENT

    John KENT Member

    I was visiting friends in Brussels last month and went into a local coin shop and purchased a few Austrian Netherlands and Spanish Netherlands coins/medals/commemoratives. One of them with a Chronogram date that uses Roman numerals embedded in the wording that adds up to 1716. When I got home I asked around a few coin dealers and none of them knew about chronogram dated coins.
    So now I have the brilliant idea of creating an exhibit about chronograms for the ANA show in Chicago 2021. Anyone in the group want to help me assemble a few examples? I'm trying to spend under $100 per example and want to buy examples from different time periods (17th to 19th century) and geographic locations (mostly around modern day France-Belgium-Germany).
     

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  3. Mkman123

    Mkman123 Well-Known Member

    Interesting way to collect! Some collect a certain country, a certain design, certain animals, but a chronogram would be a interesting way to collect!
     
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  4. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Admittedly, I know nothing about this subject... I'd love to read more if you have online literature for it.
     
  5. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes? Supporter

    What is a chronogram date? I have absolutely no idea what you're referring to.
     
  6. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    I can't see any date, at all
     
  7. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Date is 1716, splitting the reverse.
     
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  8. CoinCorgi

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  9. CoinCorgi

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    VVMVCILLD appear as enlarged letters on the reverse

    M=1000, D=500, C=100, L=50, X=10, V=5, I=1

    MDCLLVVVI=1000+500+100+2*50+3*5+1=1716
     
  10. Seattlite86

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  11. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes? Supporter

    Huh. Well, that's cool. Never heard of this before.

    Hey, @messydesk , you got any of these in your prime set?
     
  12. CoinCorgi

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    I must be on ignore. Again.
     
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  13. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes? Supporter

    Not sure who you are referring to, but I don't have you on ignore. I appreciate your link and explanation of this piece.
     
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  14. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    That is honestly very weird and confusing. But neat
     
  15. Seattlite86

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    Had to click show ignored messages. I keep corgi ignored because he spends his days trolling people and I don't have time for it.
     
  16. CoinCorgi

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  17. wcg

    wcg Well-Known Member

    Agree - a chronogram theme would be fascinating for a collection.

    1698-osnabruck-obv-kuenker.jpg 1698-osnabruck-rev-kuenker.jpg
    I think this is my only piece with a chronogram. It is taler from Osnabruck. The chronogram is found on the reverse. If I sum LVXVVVICVMIDIIIIVII, I get 1698:
    50 + 5 + 10 + 5 + 5 + 5 + 1 + 100 + 5 + 1000 + 1 + 500 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 5 + 1 + 1.
     
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  18. wcg

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    I did a quick search on "chronogramm" on ma-shops.com and was intrigued to see the high number of 1717 dated chronograms associated with the anniversary of the reformation. This one struck me as particularly beautiful. Not my piece or image - just sharing auction by Münzhandlung Hans Linnartz:
    https://www.ma-shops.com/linnartz/item.php?id=201875
    chronogram1.jpg
     
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  19. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Oh man, now I want to find one of my own! This is exciting.
     
  20. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Cool way to collect (and new to me)!
     
  21. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    Thanks for introducing something new to me. I noticed the large Roman numerals in the text.
     
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