Any Big Trade Dollar Collectors In Here?

A Prime Number Set? You are such a geek.

It's brilliant. And a larger set than one might think. In fact, you'll need a new coin next year.

 

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I have quite a few trade dollars, all business strikes. Crypto79 is an expert and has a set with all the main varieties. Mine are on CollectiveCoin under "Kaz."

 

I don't have anything more recent than 1951, although I'm considering getting a nice, 73-S Ike. Going back in time is becoming challenging. I'm almost complete back to 1723 (need 1753, want something gold). I also have 1697 taken care of. Keeping with the thread's theme, my 1759 is another trade dollar of sorts:

 

Agreed, I was on the lookout for awhile for one. Saw a wild one in Baltimore in April,went back to the dealer after I was done walking around and he packed up and left, was kinda upset. A few weeks later saw this guy on eBay on a auction and knew right away it was coming home with me. Glad to see Im not the only one who thinks that it is a perfect looking Trade. Not washed out,not dipped,just nice original skin for me

 

http://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/showcase.aspx?sc=1220

I have been know to buy a few here and there, do you have any specific questions? No dealers really speclize but you would be wise to heck brokenCC.com and jjteaparty.com and David lawerance along with Ebay and ha.com and of course great collections.

Here is the reference set the good Doc (Kaz) mentioned

 

You have an awesome collection. I looked at almost all of them. If they wouldn't have loaded so slow I would have looked them all over. Do you have any of the pattern Trade Dollars? I edited my post right here to say I am seriously impressed.

 

No patterns although i am convinced the 76 4 finger obverse (type 1.5) was a trial dial made during the reworking of the hubs that was put into service

 

Here is the coin I was referring to, it has the hand of a type 2 Obv but everything else like a type one. They were clearly playing around and thought it was close enough to use in a pinch. Once it was used for a few proof strikings it made its way in to circulation strikes as many proof dies did.

 

@crypto79 You ARE the Guru of Trade dollars!

Very Nice, it appears you may actually be interested in the "minor" varieties after all! The coin above is a different hub than used on Type 1 coins so IMO is the actual transition from the "historical" Type 1 coins and a "new" and unappreciated Type 1 obverse that someone (you ?) have discovered.

The reason I believe that is the case rather than a pattern die is that the reverse of the coin above in your collection has the modified 2M reverse (no berry, protruding back feathers) as illustrated in the Gobrecht Journal among other places.

 

Not sure I would call it a new hub type as it is only one die and it might have even been cut directly into the die as a modification to retrofit the design as the missing finger was noted back in the early days of the series for correction. The rev die is the fascinating part as it is the same die that was used on both 1876p type 2/2 run of proofs and circulation strikes. That rev die is known on
1876 2/2 PF/CS
1876 1.5/2 PF/CS
And a random 1876 1/2 circulation strike

As it being a minor difference, that may be true but it is one of the historical pick up point for the type one / two and it's transitional nature makes it more interesting IMHO. Also 76 is a pivotal year in the series with some of the best varieties

 

There is great debate on if they were even struck for circulation but there are a couple of different strike styles knows as well as a couple of different reed counts. They are also a little to common to be one die pair of a proof issue with only just north of 1k struck. They are also found worn and or chop marked

 

Since the "MAJOR" changes to the Type 2 hub which many choose to ignore and consider to be nothing at all are not included in your enumeration of the dates above, I'll suggest it is incomplete.

I believe one member of the LSCC may have sent some updates on hub types to be published in the Gobrecht Journal.

I've found that reed counts on Trade dollars can be different - just as in the Morgan dollar series,

 

Of course they used different collars, the variable here is using different collars on the same low Mintage die pair and proving at least two emission runs in the process. As to the rest of your suggestions, it isnt really being debated. People are welcome to call stuff what ever they like, that said the terms are considered settled business by the larger specialist and nismumatic community. They don't mean there isn't other minor variations but the series is broken up into type 1 & 2 hubs and everything else is just minor flavors

 

Here is basic hub info

 

Your basic Type photos and info above are very BASIC yet very helpful. However, IMO, just because the "experts" don't choose to recognize something that makes their publications, , and the chart above very basic & very obsolete does not make it correct.

For example: I'll bet the numismatic community and professional numismatic experts don't use and I have not seen your Type 1.5 obverse nomenclature anywhere except in the Gobrecht Journal.

So why post it? I'll tell you why and this is not directed to you specifically. New information and new discoveries are made all the time in numismatics. I should think the experts and the numismatic community would be anxious to further the knowledge about our coins rather than burying it or making up new things like "touched-up pattern dies, reworked experimental striking, etc."

Sometimes it takes a long time to turn the "ship of convention" to a new course. Look at the Shield nickel series with all the different hubs that are unappreciated. Do you agree?

Anyway, I can see why the Trade dollar collectors wish to keep the status quo. The "so-called" complete Registry Sets of Trade dollars are VERY INCOMPLETE

 

I lost interest in your diatribe somewhere along the lines of "it isn't complete just because you think it is if I don't think it is".

Who cares what is on the registry, that's why I use a showcase. I could care less how others define their sets and you shouldn't either. Not all varieties are significant or collectible even if legitimately different albeit minorly. Almost no one collects the major hubs which are naked eye different what is the point of breaking them out further for the general public.

Up your meds friend and collect what you like. Don't confuse the majority of people doing it one way as a mandate you have to too.

 

Yeah, nobody collected coins by Mints or Large cents by die state either at one time either so who cares...

BTW, I don't tell anyone what to collect and no one tells me. You are the Trade dollar "expert" who has helped Dave Bowers update his reference. It does not matter a bit to me if you consider a date set of Trade dollars complete, a date and mint set complete, a set with the different size mint marks included, a set adding ALL the doubled die varieties including the micro group, or actually having a set with ALL the hub combinations -some of which have not made it into YOUR set as they either don't interest you or you may not even know about them.

I for one have made use of photos from your set many times in the past. Although it is incomplete, it does not matter to me if you add to it, take from it, or call it what you will. It's your collection - I'm envious!

My point all along is this. What is posted above is very basic and VERY INCOMPLETE. This information has been updated decades ago with naked-eye changes! I know some of the folks who have contributed to the changes. Hopefully, some one reading this thread will add to it to educate all of us further on the subject.

 

Love those coins