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  1. Hoky77

    Hoky77 Well-Known Member

    I found this coin roll hunting years ago and put it in a blank hole in the back of my Dansco where it was forgotten. I stumbled on it again yesterday and my curiosity is at a peak again. IMG_8346.JPG IMG_8345.JPG IMG_8347.JPG
     
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  3. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    That is interesting.
     
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  4. Islander80-83

    Islander80-83 Well-Known Member

  5. Heavymetal

    Heavymetal Well-Known Member

    Looks like a keeper! Some kind of capped die
     
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  6. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Times 3! ~ Chris
     
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  7. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    I don't think it's a capped die. Those usually have a more regular appearance.

    Given the texture of the coin, I strongly suspect this is struck through cloth. Here's one I used to own. This one was struck through some sort of canvas, whereas yours appears to be a finer weave cloth.

    JPA1013 obverse.jpg
     
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  8. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    What are the caps made of? Does it damage the die when that happens?
     
  9. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    I see the pattern your talking about. I thought that was lamination striations.
     
  10. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Did you read the article posted?
     
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  11. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    yes
     
  12. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Then you tell us what the caps are made of.

    Not trying to be difficult. Pushing you to learn :)
     
  13. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    Islanders link? ok i got it.
     
  14. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    I considered that it might be a plating effect, from a mid-80's zincoln. I've seen that sort of parallel pattern on those sorts of coins. I can't really tell the date, but it looks like 198- something. However, I ruled that out because it is completely uniform across the entire coin. That's not usually how I see plating effects. It looks more like a cloth to me.
     
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  15. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Yes, the link Islander posted describes what a "capped die" is, and how it's made. It describes what the "cap" is.

    So what is it?
     
  16. Hoky77

    Hoky77 Well-Known Member

    That would explain the die crack like lines as wrinkles in the cloth. I think this is probable. The lines in the coin you posted look like a polishing or sanding screen. We used at my place of employment for cleaning up tight fitting steel parts. Is it possible the mint used it for polishing dies?
     
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  17. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    It is a previously struck coin stuck to the die, which says causes ghosting in
    the later stages. I would think an early stage die cap would cause ghosting.
     
  18. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Yup, good! A die cap would absolutely cause the soft, mushy, ghostlike details.

    My problem with the die cap theory is that it does not explain the "die crack" like line, which is easily explained by a wrinkle in the cloth. It also does not explain the parallel lines, which is easily explained by a fine weave cloth.
     
  19. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    Aside from the lines, at first glance it struck me as heat damage, but I do see a uniform texture on the surface.
     
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  20. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    I see no indication this coin was struck through cloth. The fine parallel lines are simply the original streaky surface of the planchet preserved by the relatively soft metal of the die cap. As for the curved ridge, I don't know what it represents, but it doesn't look like any folded cloth impression I've ever encountered. It shows every indication of having been struck through a late-stage die cap. You get all sorts of weird textures and topographies in such errors.
     
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  21. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    I will defer to mike, as he has vastly more knowledge and experience on the topic than I do.
     
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