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<p>[QUOTE="zumbly, post: 3962127, member: 57495"]I think Curtis Clay sums it up nicely below (quoted from <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=24565.0" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=24565.0" rel="nofollow">an old Forvm thread</a>):</p><p><br /></p><p><i>"Antoninus was with Hadrian when he died at Baiae on 10 July 138. The Senate intended to condemn Hadrian, and it was this anti-Hadrianic feeling which dictated the total elimination of all of Hadrian's names from Antoninus' first legend as Augustus, IMP ANTONINVS AVGVSTVS.</i></p><p><i> Antoninus, however, intended to have Hadrian consecrated. Either upon reconsideration, or as a result of communication from the emperor, Hadrian's gentile name Aelius was reintroduced into Antoninus' second and third obv. legends.</i></p><p><i> When Antoninus, escorting Hadrian's body, reached Rome one or two weeks after Hadrian's death, he will have obliged the Senate to stop equivocating and consecrate Hadrian, thereby earning the title Pius. So his fourth obv. legend included this new title, and also HADRI."</i></p><p><br /></p><p>So, as I understand it, the suggestion is that the very first issue was issued without Pius's input, and possibly even the next ones which introduced AEL to the legends.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>If you follow the progression of obverse legends for A-Pi's silver coins provided by Mattingly in BMCRE, yours and Doug's were issued when he was Caesar. This is the sequence of AD 138 obverse legends, together with the reverse ones, where yours falls into Issue 1 as Caesar -</p><p><br /></p><p><b>AS CAESAR</b> (25 Feb - 10 Jul 138) :</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Issue 1</b></p><p>IMP T AEL CAES ANTONINVS / P M TR POT COS</p><p>IMP T AEL CAES HADR ANTONINVS / P M TR POT COS</p><p>IMP T AEL CAES HADR ANTONINVS / TRIB POT COS</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Issue 2</b></p><p>IMP T AEL CAES ANTONINVS / TRIB POT COS DES II</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>AS AUGUSTUS</b> (from 10 July 138) :</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Issue 1 </b></p><p>IMP ANTONINVS AVGVSTVS / TRIB POT COS DES II</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Issue 2 </b></p><p>IMP ANTONINVS AVGVSTVS / TRIB POT COS</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Issue 3</b></p><p>IMP T AEL CAES ANTONINVS AVG / PONT MAX TR POT COS</p><p>IMP CAES AEL ANTONINVS AVG / PONT MAX TR POT COS</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Issue 4</b></p><p>IMP CAES AEL ANTONINVS AVG PIVS / PONT MAX TR POT COS</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Issue 5</b></p><p>IMP CAES T AEL HADRI ANTONINVS AVG PIVS / PONT MAX TR POT COS</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Issue 6 </b></p><p>IMP T AEL CAES HADR(I) ANTONINVS / AVG PIVS P M TR P COS DES II</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's mine :</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1043591[/ATTACH]</p><p><b>ANTONINUS PIUS, as Caesar</b></p><p>AR Denarius. 2.91g, 20.8mm. Rome mint, AD 138. RIC 447a (Hadrian). O: IMP T AEL CAES ANTONINVS, bare head right. R: TRIB POT COS, Diana standing right, holding bow and arrow.<i> </i></p><p><i>Ex Archer M. Huntington Collection, previously held by the American Numismatic Society (1001.57.4904)</i></p><p><i><br /></i></p><p>Here's another AD 138 issue, Issue 6 as Augustus, like Doug's second coin, with AVG PIVS on the reverse :</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1043592[/ATTACH]</p><p><b>ANTONINUS PIUS</b></p><p>AR Denarius. 3.2g, 19.5mm. Rome mint, AD 138. RIC 9 var. (rev legend). O: IMP T AEL CAES HADRI ANTONINVS, bare head right. R: AVG PIVS P M TR P COS DE (sic!) II, Minerva standing left, holding Victory in her right hand and shield with her left; spear leaning on her left arm.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="zumbly, post: 3962127, member: 57495"]I think Curtis Clay sums it up nicely below (quoted from [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=24565.0']an old Forvm thread[/URL]): [I]"Antoninus was with Hadrian when he died at Baiae on 10 July 138. The Senate intended to condemn Hadrian, and it was this anti-Hadrianic feeling which dictated the total elimination of all of Hadrian's names from Antoninus' first legend as Augustus, IMP ANTONINVS AVGVSTVS. Antoninus, however, intended to have Hadrian consecrated. Either upon reconsideration, or as a result of communication from the emperor, Hadrian's gentile name Aelius was reintroduced into Antoninus' second and third obv. legends. When Antoninus, escorting Hadrian's body, reached Rome one or two weeks after Hadrian's death, he will have obliged the Senate to stop equivocating and consecrate Hadrian, thereby earning the title Pius. So his fourth obv. legend included this new title, and also HADRI."[/I] So, as I understand it, the suggestion is that the very first issue was issued without Pius's input, and possibly even the next ones which introduced AEL to the legends. If you follow the progression of obverse legends for A-Pi's silver coins provided by Mattingly in BMCRE, yours and Doug's were issued when he was Caesar. This is the sequence of AD 138 obverse legends, together with the reverse ones, where yours falls into Issue 1 as Caesar - [B]AS CAESAR[/B] (25 Feb - 10 Jul 138) : [B]Issue 1[/B] IMP T AEL CAES ANTONINVS / P M TR POT COS IMP T AEL CAES HADR ANTONINVS / P M TR POT COS IMP T AEL CAES HADR ANTONINVS / TRIB POT COS [B]Issue 2[/B] IMP T AEL CAES ANTONINVS / TRIB POT COS DES II [B]AS AUGUSTUS[/B] (from 10 July 138) : [B]Issue 1 [/B] IMP ANTONINVS AVGVSTVS / TRIB POT COS DES II [B]Issue 2 [/B] IMP ANTONINVS AVGVSTVS / TRIB POT COS [B]Issue 3[/B] IMP T AEL CAES ANTONINVS AVG / PONT MAX TR POT COS[B][/B] IMP CAES AEL ANTONINVS AVG / PONT MAX TR POT COS [B]Issue 4[/B] IMP CAES AEL ANTONINVS AVG PIVS / PONT MAX TR POT COS [B]Issue 5[/B] IMP CAES T AEL HADRI ANTONINVS AVG PIVS / PONT MAX TR POT COS [B]Issue 6 [/B] IMP T AEL CAES HADR(I) ANTONINVS / AVG PIVS P M TR P COS DES II Here's mine : [ATTACH=full]1043591[/ATTACH] [B]ANTONINUS PIUS, as Caesar[/B] AR Denarius. 2.91g, 20.8mm. Rome mint, AD 138. RIC 447a (Hadrian). O: IMP T AEL CAES ANTONINVS, bare head right. R: TRIB POT COS, Diana standing right, holding bow and arrow.[I] Ex Archer M. Huntington Collection, previously held by the American Numismatic Society (1001.57.4904) [/I] Here's another AD 138 issue, Issue 6 as Augustus, like Doug's second coin, with AVG PIVS on the reverse : [ATTACH=full]1043592[/ATTACH] [B]ANTONINUS PIUS[/B] AR Denarius. 3.2g, 19.5mm. Rome mint, AD 138. RIC 9 var. (rev legend). O: IMP T AEL CAES HADRI ANTONINVS, bare head right. R: AVG PIVS P M TR P COS DE (sic!) II, Minerva standing left, holding Victory in her right hand and shield with her left; spear leaning on her left arm.[/QUOTE]
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