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<p>[QUOTE="Rudi Smits, post: 1668230, member: 44944"]I posted this item a few days ago, having well-appreciated response from some of you. I also posted this lead tessera/token/amulet on another forum, and emailed some friends numismatists... Some said : great find ! An Antinoös lead portret tessera ! Wow ! Others stated this not to be Hadrian's gay friend... Balance is now 50/50, although I wouldn't dare to question our forum's specialist, who said : nope. Not Antinoös, not even from Egypt Origin...</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's two of the replies I had on another forum :</p><p><br /></p><p><i><span style="color: #000000"><font face="Verdana">Obverse : I do not believe it is Antinoos. There is a </font></span><a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=palm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=palm" rel="nofollow">palm</a><span style="color: #000000"><font face="Verdana">? to the left, so I am thinking something like Hermanubis (if it is Alexandrian, which I am not at all sure it is). The headdress looks strange, though. There looks like a </font></span><a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1801" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1801" rel="nofollow">snake</a><span style="color: #000000"><font face="Verdana"> to the right, similar to that on the head.</font></span></i></p><p><i></i><i><a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=reverse" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=reverse" rel="nofollow">Reverse</a><span style="color: #000000"><font face="Verdana">: The standing figure holds a vase on a stick/paddle, not a pomegranate. There looks to be a boat? on a base with a tower/structure with a window (perhaps </font></span><a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=part" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=part" rel="nofollow">part</a><span style="color: #000000"><font face="Verdana"> of a pharos picture?). There is an animal standing right with a curved horn (ram?/bull?). There appear to be other </font></span><a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1799" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1799" rel="nofollow">animals</a><span style="color: #000000"><font face="Verdana">, which I can not make out, perhaps a</font></span><a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1938" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1938" rel="nofollow">scorpion</a><span style="color: #000000"><font face="Verdana"> or </font></span><a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=triton" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=triton" rel="nofollow">triton</a><span style="color: #000000"><font face="Verdana">. The standing figure appears to hold another vase in </font></span><a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=his" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=his" rel="nofollow">his</a><span style="color: #000000"><font face="Verdana"> other hand.</font></span></i><i><span style="color: #000000"><font face="Verdana">An extremely interesting coin, probably unique... </font></span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: #000000"><font face="Verdana"><br /></font></span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: #000000"><font face="Verdana">I have some doubts that is ancient. I have seen well over 150 lead pieces from </font></span><a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=600" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=600" rel="nofollow">Egypt</a><span style="color: #000000"><font face="Verdana"> and each has </font></span><a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=had" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=had" rel="nofollow">had</a><span style="color: #000000"><font face="Verdana"> much more surface corrosion and a white, off-white, or whitish tan </font></span><a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1654" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1654" rel="nofollow">patina</a><span style="color: #000000"><font face="Verdana">. This is just a little dark, and lead can </font></span><a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=pick" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=pick" rel="nofollow">pick</a><span style="color: #000000"><font face="Verdana"> up that much color in a very short time. The surface looks more battered than corroded. Perhaps I am being overly suspicious...</font></span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: #000000"><font face="Verdana"><br /></font></span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: #000000"><font face="Verdana"></font></span></i>[ATTACH]247648.vB[/ATTACH]</p><p><i><span style="color: #000000"><font face="Verdana">Let's give it a final look...</font></span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: #000000"><font face="Verdana"><br /></font></span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: #000000"><font face="Verdana"></font></span></i>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Rudi Smits, post: 1668230, member: 44944"]I posted this item a few days ago, having well-appreciated response from some of you. I also posted this lead tessera/token/amulet on another forum, and emailed some friends numismatists... Some said : great find ! An Antinoös lead portret tessera ! Wow ! Others stated this not to be Hadrian's gay friend... Balance is now 50/50, although I wouldn't dare to question our forum's specialist, who said : nope. Not Antinoös, not even from Egypt Origin... Here's two of the replies I had on another forum : [I][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Verdana]Obverse : I do not believe it is Antinoos. There is a [/FONT][/COLOR][URL="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=palm"]palm[/URL][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Verdana]? to the left, so I am thinking something like Hermanubis (if it is Alexandrian, which I am not at all sure it is). The headdress looks strange, though. There looks like a [/FONT][/COLOR][URL="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1801"]snake[/URL][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Verdana] to the right, similar to that on the head.[/FONT][/COLOR] [/I][I][URL="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=reverse"]Reverse[/URL][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Verdana]: The standing figure holds a vase on a stick/paddle, not a pomegranate. There looks to be a boat? on a base with a tower/structure with a window (perhaps [/FONT][/COLOR][URL="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=part"]part[/URL][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Verdana] of a pharos picture?). There is an animal standing right with a curved horn (ram?/bull?). There appear to be other [/FONT][/COLOR][URL="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1799"]animals[/URL][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Verdana], which I can not make out, perhaps a[/FONT][/COLOR][URL="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1938"]scorpion[/URL][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Verdana] or [/FONT][/COLOR][URL="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=triton"]triton[/URL][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Verdana]. The standing figure appears to hold another vase in [/FONT][/COLOR][URL="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=his"]his[/URL][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Verdana] other hand.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][I][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Verdana]An extremely interesting coin, probably unique... I have some doubts that is ancient. I have seen well over 150 lead pieces from [/FONT][/COLOR][URL="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=600"]Egypt[/URL][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Verdana] and each has [/FONT][/COLOR][URL="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=had"]had[/URL][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Verdana] much more surface corrosion and a white, off-white, or whitish tan [/FONT][/COLOR][URL="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1654"]patina[/URL][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Verdana]. This is just a little dark, and lead can [/FONT][/COLOR][URL="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=pick"]pick[/URL][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Verdana] up that much color in a very short time. The surface looks more battered than corroded. Perhaps I am being overly suspicious... [/FONT][/COLOR][/I][ATTACH]247648.vB[/ATTACH] [I][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Verdana]Let's give it a final look... [/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
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