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<p>[QUOTE="DonnaML, post: 5409180, member: 110350"]I recently posted (see <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/questions-about-anonymous-civic-persecution-coin-from-antioch-under-maximinus-ii.372280/#post-5311130" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/questions-about-anonymous-civic-persecution-coin-from-antioch-under-maximinus-ii.372280/#post-5311130">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/questions-about-anonymous-civic-persecution-coin-from-antioch-under-maximinus-ii.372280/#post-5311130</a>) this Maximinus II-period AE16 from Antioch, depicting Tyche with the river god Orontes on the obverse, probably issued in 312 AD for the Olympics held in Antioch. (See Kalina, David, “Anonymous Civic Coinage,” Series 1, at <a href="http://allcoinage.com/anonymous_civic.php" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://allcoinage.com/anonymous_civic.php" rel="nofollow">http://allcoinage.com/anonymous_civic.php</a>):</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1234214[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>And here's a new Antioch silver tetradrachm from Trajan's reign depicting the same theme on the reverse, issued precisely 200 years earlier in 112 AD:</p><p><br /></p><p>Trajan AR Tetradrachm, 112 AD, Seleucis & Pieria, Antioch Mint. Obv. Laureate head right, club below to left and eagle (standing right) below to right, AYTOKP KAIC NER TPAIANOC CEB ΓEPM ΔAK / Rev. Tyche of Antioch, wearing mural crown, seated on rocks, right, holding two ears of wheat and a poppy-head in her right hand, right foot on shoulder of river god Orontes in river swimming right, looking up at Tyche, left arm extended and left forefinger pointed, ΔΗΜΑΡΧ ΕΞ ΙϚ ΥΠΑΤ Ϛ [= TR POT XVI, COS VI]. RPC [<i>Roman Provincial Coinage</i>] Vol. III 4076 (2015); RPC Online at <a href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/3/3543" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/3/3543" rel="nofollow">https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/3/3543</a>; McAlee 471 [Richard McAlee, <i>The Coins of Roman Antioch</i> (2007)]; Prieur 1499 [Michel and Karin Prieur, <i>Syro-Phoenician Tetradrachms</i> (London, 2000)]. 25 mm., 13.88 g.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1234216[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Some questions:</p><p><br /></p><p>1. I get the eagle on the obverse, but does anyone know what the club signifies?</p><p><br /></p><p>2. You can see that Orontes's left forefinger is extended, and is pointing at a triangular object that does not appear to be part of the final letter (the Greek "S") of the reverse inscription. Any ideas on what it might be?</p><p><br /></p><p>3. What is that extending up behind Tyche's ear? Is it the end of the stem of her "bouquet," or something else?</p><p><br /></p><p>4. Is this just another case of pareidolia, or could the various lines in the folds at the bottom of Tyche's gown possibly include several letters of the Greek alphabet? (I see what might conceivably be an A, an O, and a Greek L, among other possibilities.) This is the area I've been looking at:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1234217[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>5. RPC as well as McAlee (judging from the book's title) list this coin as having been issued in Antioch. David Sear's book <i>Greek Imperial Coins</i> (1982), at p. 100, lists as no. 1088 (and includes a photo of) what appears to be the identical coin type, but attributes it to Tyre. Is that an outdated attribution?</p><p><br /></p><p>6. Finally, the earliest depiction of Tyche & Orontes listed in RPC appears to be this reverse of an Augustus tetradrachm from Antioch, RPC I 4151 (not my coin):</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1234223[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Does anyone know if this was the first coin depicting this theme, or if there were any coins that did so before the Empire?</p><p><br /></p><p>Please post your own Tyche/Orontes coins from any period, or your Trajan Provincials from any city.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="DonnaML, post: 5409180, member: 110350"]I recently posted (see [URL]https://www.cointalk.com/threads/questions-about-anonymous-civic-persecution-coin-from-antioch-under-maximinus-ii.372280/#post-5311130[/URL]) this Maximinus II-period AE16 from Antioch, depicting Tyche with the river god Orontes on the obverse, probably issued in 312 AD for the Olympics held in Antioch. (See Kalina, David, “Anonymous Civic Coinage,” Series 1, at [URL]http://allcoinage.com/anonymous_civic.php[/URL]): [ATTACH=full]1234214[/ATTACH] And here's a new Antioch silver tetradrachm from Trajan's reign depicting the same theme on the reverse, issued precisely 200 years earlier in 112 AD: Trajan AR Tetradrachm, 112 AD, Seleucis & Pieria, Antioch Mint. Obv. Laureate head right, club below to left and eagle (standing right) below to right, AYTOKP KAIC NER TPAIANOC CEB ΓEPM ΔAK / Rev. Tyche of Antioch, wearing mural crown, seated on rocks, right, holding two ears of wheat and a poppy-head in her right hand, right foot on shoulder of river god Orontes in river swimming right, looking up at Tyche, left arm extended and left forefinger pointed, ΔΗΜΑΡΧ ΕΞ ΙϚ ΥΠΑΤ Ϛ [= TR POT XVI, COS VI]. RPC [[I]Roman Provincial Coinage[/I]] Vol. III 4076 (2015); RPC Online at [URL]https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/3/3543[/URL]; McAlee 471 [Richard McAlee, [I]The Coins of Roman Antioch[/I] (2007)]; Prieur 1499 [Michel and Karin Prieur, [I]Syro-Phoenician Tetradrachms[/I] (London, 2000)]. 25 mm., 13.88 g. [ATTACH=full]1234216[/ATTACH] Some questions: 1. I get the eagle on the obverse, but does anyone know what the club signifies? 2. You can see that Orontes's left forefinger is extended, and is pointing at a triangular object that does not appear to be part of the final letter (the Greek "S") of the reverse inscription. Any ideas on what it might be? 3. What is that extending up behind Tyche's ear? Is it the end of the stem of her "bouquet," or something else? 4. Is this just another case of pareidolia, or could the various lines in the folds at the bottom of Tyche's gown possibly include several letters of the Greek alphabet? (I see what might conceivably be an A, an O, and a Greek L, among other possibilities.) This is the area I've been looking at: [ATTACH=full]1234217[/ATTACH] 5. RPC as well as McAlee (judging from the book's title) list this coin as having been issued in Antioch. David Sear's book [I]Greek Imperial Coins[/I] (1982), at p. 100, lists as no. 1088 (and includes a photo of) what appears to be the identical coin type, but attributes it to Tyre. Is that an outdated attribution? 6. Finally, the earliest depiction of Tyche & Orontes listed in RPC appears to be this reverse of an Augustus tetradrachm from Antioch, RPC I 4151 (not my coin): [ATTACH=full]1234223[/ATTACH] Does anyone know if this was the first coin depicting this theme, or if there were any coins that did so before the Empire? Please post your own Tyche/Orontes coins from any period, or your Trajan Provincials from any city.[/QUOTE]
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