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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 7323639, member: 19463"]This statement will offend a number of photographers but they are largely one that would not recognize a good photo if they saw one. The state issued me a driver's licence with a good photo of me by their definition (not allowed to smile). They are correct by definition, right?</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Allowing for the fact that we all make occasional errors, I have the greatest respect for the 'opinions' of David Vagi and Barry Murphy (the NGC 'graders') when it comes to the authenticity of ancient coins. In this sense, that is why we might send a coin to NGC. However, I have absolute NO similar respect for slab brands other than NGC and consider all of them little more than sellers of plastic boxes. I do wish there were a code on the NGC tickets that would tell us which and when (something like a B21 in small letters saying Barry saw the coin in 2021 while DB19 would indicate they both saw it two years ago). This would protect us from the eventual fact of life that we all will go blind and crazy someday (I did; you will; deal with it). IF NGC offered a cash back guarantee covering errors, they would have to buy insurance protecting them from a thousand lawsuits from people who disagreed with their opinion and found an 'expert' to testify that the coin was false. Who would benefit from that?</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I find this an interesting point from our resident lawyer. Where is the line between opinion and fact? The judicial system regularly makes the news when what they call 'facts' are replaced by new 'facts'. In coins we can 'prove' something is fake but saying something is with absolute certainty genuine, official, made in the regular mint with full authority or several other considerations is an opinion. 'Facts' only change when they are defined as facts by the opinions of a system. 9999 experts saying something is true is not what makes something a fact; it is just a very popular opinion. I might add that there is no double jeopardy law when dealing with fakes. However a coin is determined to be genuine, the question remains open to reconsideration forever. </p><p><br /></p><p>For the record, I have no objection to the concept of plastic slabs for ancient coins. I do not use them because it would cost me several thousand dollars to house my collection and the stack of slabs would not fit in my available space. Has anyone calculated how many slabs fit in a cubic yard? For the same reason, I no longer use trays (which I love) or plastic pages in binders (which I threw out thirty years ago and currently despise). What I do find objectionable is welding the this shut so I can not touch, see (clearly from all angles) and determine if I agree with the verdict printed on the label. Add to that I may want to take a new photo of the coin to match my changing level of satisfaction.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 7323639, member: 19463"]This statement will offend a number of photographers but they are largely one that would not recognize a good photo if they saw one. The state issued me a driver's licence with a good photo of me by their definition (not allowed to smile). They are correct by definition, right? Allowing for the fact that we all make occasional errors, I have the greatest respect for the 'opinions' of David Vagi and Barry Murphy (the NGC 'graders') when it comes to the authenticity of ancient coins. In this sense, that is why we might send a coin to NGC. However, I have absolute NO similar respect for slab brands other than NGC and consider all of them little more than sellers of plastic boxes. I do wish there were a code on the NGC tickets that would tell us which and when (something like a B21 in small letters saying Barry saw the coin in 2021 while DB19 would indicate they both saw it two years ago). This would protect us from the eventual fact of life that we all will go blind and crazy someday (I did; you will; deal with it). IF NGC offered a cash back guarantee covering errors, they would have to buy insurance protecting them from a thousand lawsuits from people who disagreed with their opinion and found an 'expert' to testify that the coin was false. Who would benefit from that? I find this an interesting point from our resident lawyer. Where is the line between opinion and fact? The judicial system regularly makes the news when what they call 'facts' are replaced by new 'facts'. In coins we can 'prove' something is fake but saying something is with absolute certainty genuine, official, made in the regular mint with full authority or several other considerations is an opinion. 'Facts' only change when they are defined as facts by the opinions of a system. 9999 experts saying something is true is not what makes something a fact; it is just a very popular opinion. I might add that there is no double jeopardy law when dealing with fakes. However a coin is determined to be genuine, the question remains open to reconsideration forever. For the record, I have no objection to the concept of plastic slabs for ancient coins. I do not use them because it would cost me several thousand dollars to house my collection and the stack of slabs would not fit in my available space. Has anyone calculated how many slabs fit in a cubic yard? For the same reason, I no longer use trays (which I love) or plastic pages in binders (which I threw out thirty years ago and currently despise). What I do find objectionable is welding the this shut so I can not touch, see (clearly from all angles) and determine if I agree with the verdict printed on the label. Add to that I may want to take a new photo of the coin to match my changing level of satisfaction.[/QUOTE]
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