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<p>[QUOTE="Blake Davis, post: 26036096, member: 91820"]As mentioned in other threads, about five years into collecting ancient coins in about 2003 or so I got the bronze bug and have never looked back. I was fortunate enough to find a few rare sestertii of Caracalla and Geta and as the years went on became more and more interested in the sestertii of the family of Septimius Severus. Reading Doug Smith's articles also greatly increased my enthusiasm for Septimian coinage. Early on I posted some of my more unusual Severans on Moneta, Curtis Clay, THE expert in this area, was kind enough to comment on the coins posted until I got in the habit of sending him photos of interesting Severan sestertii I was able to acquire - until I found this site and there was no need.</p><p><br /></p><p>I also saw Curtis a few times at the NY shows but - I was always too intimidated to say hello - and yes I realize how that doesn't make sense - I always thought I was dressed too poorly since I would always go to the shows in jeans, sneakers and an old coat - not exactly dressed to impress - and I am used to being in a business suit.</p><p><br /></p><p>Enough introduction: Of all the interesting sestertii of Septimius I have come across over the years this has to be the most interesting:</p><p><br /></p><p>Septimius Severus sestertius</p><p>Victory Walking Left</p><p>Rome Mint - 22.26 grams 31mm</p><p>PMTRP...ADVENTVIAVG - Reverse</p><p>LSEPTSEV PERTAVGIMPVIII - Obverse</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1655470[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1655471[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>The Victory walking with wreath type is among the most common reverses on Septimius' sestertii. It was struck among his first types, as well as IMP II and IMPIII - and for IMPX. A footnote in RIC for IMPVII indicates that Cohn lists the Victory walking type although RIC does not. RIC does not list a Victory walking for IMPVIII, IMPVIIII or IMPX - but Victory for IMPX does exist. That does indicate that Victory was likely struck for IMP VIII and IMP VIIII but as the Rome mint started winding down on bronzes these types simply never were found - until now for IMP VIII</p><p><br /></p><p>If this was the only reason that this coin is fascinating I would stop here. But the reverse inscription is.... is.... impossible - it does not exist for Septimius. The phrase ADVENTIVIAVG does exist for IMP VII and IMPVIII but only as the initial part of the inscription on a coin that reads ADVENTVIAVG FELICISSIMO - with Septimius on horse, raising hand, sometimes preceded by a soldier - RIC 718. I think the type also exists - rarely - for IMPVII. But there is no sestertius that exists for Septimius for IMPVIII that ends in ADVENTVIAVG.</p><p><br /></p><p>Which means it may be that a coin with RIC 718 or a die somehow got to the edge of this coin in such a way that it perfectly aligns with where you would expect the ending of this inscription. The issue with this is that typically you would see something off about the rest of the coin - some doubling or something that makes it look like it was double struck. I have looked carefully and have not found it although it may be there is another inscription running along side - you can just barely make it out - maybe or is it imagination? I think I would need a stereo microscope to know for certain- take a look:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1655472[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1655473[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>So what do we have - the rarest of finds - a type not known with an inscription never heard of?</p><p><br /></p><p>The coin is genuine - it came from an established dealer, likely was found in Spain, and it "feels" genuine - if you look carefully at the coin everything that should be is where it should be.</p><p><br /></p><p>I have run out of time to do a complete write up on the Lucius Verus As that just came in through an odd circumstance - it is beautiful but...is that bronze disease in two spots? I really do not want to return this but to date I have not been able to find a way to treat bronze disease that works for good. What would you do?[ATTACH=full]1655475[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1655474[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>It sort of looks like it had previously been treated for the same thing - check out the pinkish area close to where the disease is now.</p><p><br /></p><p>PLEASE let me know your thoughts on the Septimius - how could it be anything but a weird issue involving wrong die - does it tell us anything about how the Romans struck their coins other than mistakes do happen - or is it an inscription that only made it to this one coin? No way to be sure of course but what is the most likely explanation?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Blake Davis, post: 26036096, member: 91820"]As mentioned in other threads, about five years into collecting ancient coins in about 2003 or so I got the bronze bug and have never looked back. I was fortunate enough to find a few rare sestertii of Caracalla and Geta and as the years went on became more and more interested in the sestertii of the family of Septimius Severus. Reading Doug Smith's articles also greatly increased my enthusiasm for Septimian coinage. Early on I posted some of my more unusual Severans on Moneta, Curtis Clay, THE expert in this area, was kind enough to comment on the coins posted until I got in the habit of sending him photos of interesting Severan sestertii I was able to acquire - until I found this site and there was no need. I also saw Curtis a few times at the NY shows but - I was always too intimidated to say hello - and yes I realize how that doesn't make sense - I always thought I was dressed too poorly since I would always go to the shows in jeans, sneakers and an old coat - not exactly dressed to impress - and I am used to being in a business suit. Enough introduction: Of all the interesting sestertii of Septimius I have come across over the years this has to be the most interesting: Septimius Severus sestertius Victory Walking Left Rome Mint - 22.26 grams 31mm PMTRP...ADVENTVIAVG - Reverse LSEPTSEV PERTAVGIMPVIII - Obverse [ATTACH=full]1655470[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1655471[/ATTACH] The Victory walking with wreath type is among the most common reverses on Septimius' sestertii. It was struck among his first types, as well as IMP II and IMPIII - and for IMPX. A footnote in RIC for IMPVII indicates that Cohn lists the Victory walking type although RIC does not. RIC does not list a Victory walking for IMPVIII, IMPVIIII or IMPX - but Victory for IMPX does exist. That does indicate that Victory was likely struck for IMP VIII and IMP VIIII but as the Rome mint started winding down on bronzes these types simply never were found - until now for IMP VIII If this was the only reason that this coin is fascinating I would stop here. But the reverse inscription is.... is.... impossible - it does not exist for Septimius. The phrase ADVENTIVIAVG does exist for IMP VII and IMPVIII but only as the initial part of the inscription on a coin that reads ADVENTVIAVG FELICISSIMO - with Septimius on horse, raising hand, sometimes preceded by a soldier - RIC 718. I think the type also exists - rarely - for IMPVII. But there is no sestertius that exists for Septimius for IMPVIII that ends in ADVENTVIAVG. Which means it may be that a coin with RIC 718 or a die somehow got to the edge of this coin in such a way that it perfectly aligns with where you would expect the ending of this inscription. The issue with this is that typically you would see something off about the rest of the coin - some doubling or something that makes it look like it was double struck. I have looked carefully and have not found it although it may be there is another inscription running along side - you can just barely make it out - maybe or is it imagination? I think I would need a stereo microscope to know for certain- take a look: [ATTACH=full]1655472[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1655473[/ATTACH] So what do we have - the rarest of finds - a type not known with an inscription never heard of? The coin is genuine - it came from an established dealer, likely was found in Spain, and it "feels" genuine - if you look carefully at the coin everything that should be is where it should be. I have run out of time to do a complete write up on the Lucius Verus As that just came in through an odd circumstance - it is beautiful but...is that bronze disease in two spots? I really do not want to return this but to date I have not been able to find a way to treat bronze disease that works for good. What would you do?[ATTACH=full]1655475[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1655474[/ATTACH] It sort of looks like it had previously been treated for the same thing - check out the pinkish area close to where the disease is now. PLEASE let me know your thoughts on the Septimius - how could it be anything but a weird issue involving wrong die - does it tell us anything about how the Romans struck their coins other than mistakes do happen - or is it an inscription that only made it to this one coin? No way to be sure of course but what is the most likely explanation?[/QUOTE]
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