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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 33850, member: 112"]It's not an <u>if</u> Aidan - it is a definite. In Delmonte the coin is listed as # 825bis - in Freidberg it is # 80.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here is another example struck in the Netherlands, this one at Utrecht - </p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://www.gdjmsp.cointalk.org/coin_pics/Netherlands/1579%20Rose%20Noble%20obv.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://www.gdjmsp.cointalk.org/coin_pics/Netherlands/1579%20Rose%20Noble%20rev.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>And you are correct - the British did have a mint at Calais. But even the English nobles struck at Calais were different than the ones struck in England. </p><p><br /></p><p>As to why the Netherlands copied the design of the British coin - who knows. Why did the British copy the designs of the French coins 3 centuries earlier ? Bottom line is - the European countries all copied designs from each other. </p><p><br /></p><p>But during the late 1500's - the Netherlands was in the beginning stages of its independence from Spain. And England was the enemy of Spain. So the Netherlands, being a weak country, wanted to align themselves with a strong country. They chose England. For England was the largest customer the Netherlands had for the textile trade. Perhaps that was the reason.</p><p><br /></p><p>And they also made sure that the coins could be told apart - there are always small differences. This is even true for the different rose nobles struck at all of the various Netherlands mints - and just about all of them struck one. Some changed the legends - some did not. Some made very minor changes in the design - like the subject coin of this post. Other than the differences I have noted - the two coins cannot be told apart.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 33850, member: 112"]It's not an [u]if[/u] Aidan - it is a definite. In Delmonte the coin is listed as # 825bis - in Freidberg it is # 80. Here is another example struck in the Netherlands, this one at Utrecht - [IMG]http://www.gdjmsp.cointalk.org/coin_pics/Netherlands/1579%20Rose%20Noble%20obv.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.gdjmsp.cointalk.org/coin_pics/Netherlands/1579%20Rose%20Noble%20rev.jpg[/IMG] And you are correct - the British did have a mint at Calais. But even the English nobles struck at Calais were different than the ones struck in England. As to why the Netherlands copied the design of the British coin - who knows. Why did the British copy the designs of the French coins 3 centuries earlier ? Bottom line is - the European countries all copied designs from each other. But during the late 1500's - the Netherlands was in the beginning stages of its independence from Spain. And England was the enemy of Spain. So the Netherlands, being a weak country, wanted to align themselves with a strong country. They chose England. For England was the largest customer the Netherlands had for the textile trade. Perhaps that was the reason. And they also made sure that the coins could be told apart - there are always small differences. This is even true for the different rose nobles struck at all of the various Netherlands mints - and just about all of them struck one. Some changed the legends - some did not. Some made very minor changes in the design - like the subject coin of this post. Other than the differences I have noted - the two coins cannot be told apart.[/QUOTE]
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