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<p>[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24820910, member: 26430"]<b>"Z.P." </b></p><blockquote><p><font size="4">is the Austrian coin dealer Zeno Pop. (Zeno Pop is a proper name, not a nickname or abbreviation!)</font></p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p><b>"L. Rose"</b></p><blockquote><p><font size="4">hundreds of RIC bronze & silver, sold at Roma e-sale 61 in 2019.</font></p><p><font size="4">There may be a "Rose, L." member of Brit. Num. Society (website malfunctioning, though). Hard one -- "Rose" is a common numismatic term.</font></p><p><font size="4">Nothing from quick bibliography check (unless Harvey L. Rose who wrote a 1966 <i>TAMS Journal</i> article about Leper Colony Tokens!). Maybe "Rose, L..." will have authored an article in small newsletter or trade journal...</font></p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>There are many shades of anonymity, and many relevant issues of evidence, so I could talk for days on this topic! But I'll try to restrain myself...to a degree....</p><p><br /></p><p>There's usually <i>something</i> to find out, even if minimal. I investigate the same way:</p><blockquote><p>who sold the collection? what were the "contents"?</p><p>when, where, from whom did the collector buy their coins?</p><p>what other collections are they connected to (both "before" and "after")?</p><p>were any of the coins published in the literature and where? what did the publications say (possibly even a personal name)?</p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p>I always create a descriptive summary for every collection, named or (semi)anonymous. Here's a typical one that I edited and posted in <a href="https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/#Private-Collections" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/#Private-Collections" rel="nofollow">my Provenance Glossary online</a>:</p><p><br /></p><blockquote><p><b>CRESCENT COLLECTION</b></p><p>Anonymous collection (prob. American), formed c. 2003-2019 (mostly from US & UK dealers). Sold by CNG beginning primarily with Greek (<a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=%22from+the+crescent+collection%22&category=1&company=30&auction=7485" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=%22from+the+crescent+collection%22&category=1&company=30&auction=7485" rel="nofollow">34 single lots, plus 3 ancient groups</a> & 18 world) in e-Auction 483 (6 Jan 2021); then <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=%22from+the+crescent+collection%22&category=1&company=30&auction=7584" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=%22from+the+crescent+collection%22&category=1&company=30&auction=7584" rel="nofollow">46 lots of mostly RRC</a> in EA 485 (10 Feb 2021); <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=%22from+the+crescent+collection%22&category=1&company=30&auction=7616" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=%22from+the+crescent+collection%22&category=1&company=30&auction=7616" rel="nofollow">5 Lots of Hadrian RPC Silver</a> in EA 486; and mostly RIC in EAs <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=%22from+the+crescent+collection%22&category=1&company=30&auction=7973" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=%22from+the+crescent+collection%22&category=1&company=30&auction=7973" rel="nofollow">493</a>, <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=%22from+the+crescent+collection%22&category=1&company=30&auction=8453" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=%22from+the+crescent+collection%22&category=1&company=30&auction=8453" rel="nofollow">503</a>, and <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=%22from+the+crescent+collection%22&category=1&company=30&auction=8823" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=%22from+the+crescent+collection%22&category=1&company=30&auction=8823" rel="nofollow">509</a>.</p><p>[ACSearch: <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=%22from+the+crescent+collection%22&category=1&company=30" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=%22from+the+crescent+collection%22&category=1&company=30" rel="nofollow">139 Lots Ancient Coins</a>, <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=%22crescent+collection%22&category=2&company=30" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=%22crescent+collection%22&category=2&company=30" rel="nofollow">33 Modern</a>, <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=%22crescent+collection%22&category=9&company=30" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=%22crescent+collection%22&category=9&company=30" rel="nofollow">3 Lots Antiquities</a>]</p><p><i><b>Coins</b>: ΣΤΑΣΙΩΝ Drachm (Ashton 59b) [<a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7710000" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7710000" rel="nofollow">on ACSearch</a>] ; Hadrian Aegeae Tetradrachm (LM 117) [<a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7831469" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7831469" rel="nofollow">on ACSearch</a>] ; <a href="https://conservatoricoins.com/selections-from-the-bce-collection/#Carinus" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://conservatoricoins.com/selections-from-the-bce-collection/#Carinus" rel="nofollow">Carinus “Captive” Antoninianus</a></i></p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p>Some names become known later. (NAC & Naville's "Mentor Collection" = George Muller. Stack's "the Demarete Collection" = the Clain-Stefanelli Coll.)</p><p><br /></p><p>Or, sometimes you're the one who finds out who:</p><p><br /></p><p>For example, "the Lampasas Collection." I searched my usual sources (obituaries, memberships, newsletters, etc.) & learned who the collector was. Lampasas turns out to be a place name -- not a big one; an ancient coin collector died there shortly before the coins were sold.</p><p><br /></p><p>He wasn't personally well-known in the numismatic world, so it doesn't add much to name him publicly. For others, like "Man in Love with Art" (Sheik Al-Thani) it does, so sometimes I do, as long it doesn't seem to violate their wishes. (Consequently, I leave BCD anonymous in public, but name PRF & RBW, who didn't mind being recognized as Franke & Witschonke.)</p><p><br /></p><p>Still not sure "how secret" to keep <i>Collection sans Pareille</i> (a couple dealers named her but Nomos strictly did not). In that case, <i>CsP</i> is more like the title of a work, since she had other collections (Alan Walker did say, during the first auction, that the appropriately titled "Exceptional Private Collection" at Leu 76 in 1999 was hers too).</p><p style="text-align: center"><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I do have lots of minimally provenanced coins, especially ones I bought before I cared/knew it mattered, esp. 1980s-2010. Someday I may sell those and just cut down to a "Kevin Bacon network" of a couple hundred favorites.</p><p><br /></p><p>That's pretty much what Andrew McCabe did, although he still has an extraordinarily extensive collection of Republicans. (He sold everything that didn't have a 1970 provenance, though he let just a couple of those slip out unbeknownst, which I hope to buy whenever they reappear!)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24820910, member: 26430"][B]"Z.P." [/B] [INDENT][SIZE=4]is the Austrian coin dealer Zeno Pop. (Zeno Pop is a proper name, not a nickname or abbreviation!)[/SIZE][/INDENT] [B]"L. Rose"[/B] [INDENT][SIZE=4]hundreds of RIC bronze & silver, sold at Roma e-sale 61 in 2019. There may be a "Rose, L." member of Brit. Num. Society (website malfunctioning, though). Hard one -- "Rose" is a common numismatic term. Nothing from quick bibliography check (unless Harvey L. Rose who wrote a 1966 [I]TAMS Journal[/I] article about Leper Colony Tokens!). Maybe "Rose, L..." will have authored an article in small newsletter or trade journal...[/SIZE][/INDENT] There are many shades of anonymity, and many relevant issues of evidence, so I could talk for days on this topic! But I'll try to restrain myself...to a degree.... There's usually [I]something[/I] to find out, even if minimal. I investigate the same way: [INDENT]who sold the collection? what were the "contents"? when, where, from whom did the collector buy their coins? what other collections are they connected to (both "before" and "after")? were any of the coins published in the literature and where? what did the publications say (possibly even a personal name)?[/INDENT] I always create a descriptive summary for every collection, named or (semi)anonymous. Here's a typical one that I edited and posted in [URL='https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/#Private-Collections']my Provenance Glossary online[/URL]: [INDENT][B]CRESCENT COLLECTION[/B] Anonymous collection (prob. American), formed c. 2003-2019 (mostly from US & UK dealers). Sold by CNG beginning primarily with Greek ([URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=%22from+the+crescent+collection%22&category=1&company=30&auction=7485']34 single lots, plus 3 ancient groups[/URL] & 18 world) in e-Auction 483 (6 Jan 2021); then [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=%22from+the+crescent+collection%22&category=1&company=30&auction=7584']46 lots of mostly RRC[/URL] in EA 485 (10 Feb 2021); [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=%22from+the+crescent+collection%22&category=1&company=30&auction=7616']5 Lots of Hadrian RPC Silver[/URL] in EA 486; and mostly RIC in EAs [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=%22from+the+crescent+collection%22&category=1&company=30&auction=7973']493[/URL], [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=%22from+the+crescent+collection%22&category=1&company=30&auction=8453']503[/URL], and [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=%22from+the+crescent+collection%22&category=1&company=30&auction=8823']509[/URL]. [ACSearch: [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=%22from+the+crescent+collection%22&category=1&company=30']139 Lots Ancient Coins[/URL], [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=%22crescent+collection%22&category=2&company=30']33 Modern[/URL], [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=%22crescent+collection%22&category=9&company=30']3 Lots Antiquities[/URL]] [I][B]Coins[/B]: ΣΤΑΣΙΩΝ Drachm (Ashton 59b) [[URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7710000']on ACSearch[/URL]] ; Hadrian Aegeae Tetradrachm (LM 117) [[URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7831469']on ACSearch[/URL]] ; [URL='https://conservatoricoins.com/selections-from-the-bce-collection/#Carinus']Carinus “Captive” Antoninianus[/URL][/I][/INDENT] Some names become known later. (NAC & Naville's "Mentor Collection" = George Muller. Stack's "the Demarete Collection" = the Clain-Stefanelli Coll.) Or, sometimes you're the one who finds out who: For example, "the Lampasas Collection." I searched my usual sources (obituaries, memberships, newsletters, etc.) & learned who the collector was. Lampasas turns out to be a place name -- not a big one; an ancient coin collector died there shortly before the coins were sold. He wasn't personally well-known in the numismatic world, so it doesn't add much to name him publicly. For others, like "Man in Love with Art" (Sheik Al-Thani) it does, so sometimes I do, as long it doesn't seem to violate their wishes. (Consequently, I leave BCD anonymous in public, but name PRF & RBW, who didn't mind being recognized as Franke & Witschonke.) Still not sure "how secret" to keep [I]Collection sans Pareille[/I] (a couple dealers named her but Nomos strictly did not). In that case, [I]CsP[/I] is more like the title of a work, since she had other collections (Alan Walker did say, during the first auction, that the appropriately titled "Exceptional Private Collection" at Leu 76 in 1999 was hers too). [CENTER][/CENTER] I do have lots of minimally provenanced coins, especially ones I bought before I cared/knew it mattered, esp. 1980s-2010. Someday I may sell those and just cut down to a "Kevin Bacon network" of a couple hundred favorites. That's pretty much what Andrew McCabe did, although he still has an extraordinarily extensive collection of Republicans. (He sold everything that didn't have a 1970 provenance, though he let just a couple of those slip out unbeknownst, which I hope to buy whenever they reappear!)[/QUOTE]
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