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<p>[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24820008, member: 26430"]<i><b>Note</b>: My <a href="https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/#private-collections" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/#private-collections" rel="nofollow">"Provenance Glossary"</a> entry for R.L. Grover (1910-1998) excerpted at the very end of comment...</i></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>(That's a great NF thread!!)</p><p><br /></p><p><b><i>Aha</i></b> -- we share coins from that same group lot: Ex <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3734838" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3734838" rel="nofollow">Gemini XIII (6 April 2017), Group Lot 460</a> (deaccession sale of Art Institute of Chicago, all ex Grover).</p><p><br /></p><p>Like many of the big lots, that group was not illustrated in the Gemini Catalog. Fortunately for us, <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/billon-comes-in-many-colors.296020/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/billon-comes-in-many-colors.296020/">a photo of the 16 coins was shared</a> on CoinTalk (mine is top center, yours is far right on row 2):</p><p><br /></p><p style="text-align: center"><i>photo by [USER=57495]@zumbly[/USER]</i></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/gemini-a-pi-a-1400-jpg.622336/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>So our coins share the same chain-of-custody for about 120 years, from the late 19th/early 20th century in the Dattari Collection, through the Grover Collection, into and back out of the Art Institute of Chicago, through Harlan Berk/Gemini, until the last owner sold them to us!</p><p><br /></p><p>My coin = Dattari-Savio Suppl. pl 14, 17 = Art Institute of Chicago #1981.460, donated by R.L. Grover:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1588824[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p style="text-align: center">***</p><p><br /></p><p>I've also got one coin from the 1986 Superior Sale whose catalog you mentioned adding.</p><p><br /></p><p>It's a Thessaly, Larissa Drachm, and I bought it specifically for the Grover-to-BCD Collection provenance. (My exact reason -- explained below -- might sound crazy to anyone but me.)</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1588825[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><i><b>Why THAT coin? </b></i></p><p>I collect (partly) by provenance but not just by "single provenance"; I collect by "<i>provenance networks</i>."</p><p><br /></p><p>In other words, I don't just buy a coin because it's ex-Grover or ex-BCD collection. I buy it if it represents a <i>social network</i> connecting at least two other collections (preferably more, of course).</p><p><br /></p><p>In this case, the Grover-->BCD link allowed me to connect two large, previously unconnected branches of my provenance networks. That one coin allowed me to add 11 more collections to my existing network of >50 other collections.</p><p><br /></p><p>It's shown in a red rectangle (more explanation below):</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1588826[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>The red line shows the new network, which is linked only by the Grover-->BCD coin. So, that one coin allowed me to connect Dattari, Righetti, ETB ([USER=70512]@Okidoki[/USER] ), Voirol, AK Collection & others, to the rest of my larger, interconnected network of Greek & Roman coin provenances. (Like "<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Degrees_of_Kevin_Bacon" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Degrees_of_Kevin_Bacon" rel="nofollow">Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon</a>.")</p><p><br /></p><p>(The network diagram has grown further since then. I do still have a couple of big disconnected "islands" I need to attach. The bigger they get, the better the chance of finding a connection. Some day I'd like every single coin in my collection to be interconnected to all the others by previous ownership.)</p><p><br /></p><p style="text-align: center">***</p><p><br /></p><p><b>R. L. GROVER BIO</b>:</p><p><br /></p><p>I've probably mentioned my in-progress "Provenance Glossary" which I've been putting online: <a href="https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/#private-collections" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/#private-collections" rel="nofollow">https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/#private-collections</a></p><p><br /></p><p>My entry for "<b>GROVER, ROBERT L. (1910-1998)</b>" is online (others still need to be posted):</p><p><br /></p><blockquote><p>Chicago area attorney, attended Northwestern Law School, passed the IL Bar in 1934. Collection begun early in his legal career, formed c. 1930s – 1986. Donated major Alexandrian collection the Art Institute of Chicago (incl. many ex Dattari), 1978-1984, duplicates from which were de-accessioned and sold in Gemini XIII (cataloged by Curtis Clay). (At least 64 of those coins were purchased by the American Numismatic Society.) Made another substantial donation to the American Numismatic Association, incl. RIC. His remaining collection of Greek, Roman, Byzantine was sold at Superior Stamp & Coin in 1986 (see below).</p><p><br /></p><p>[Superior (11 Jun 1986), <i><a href="https://archive.org/details/frankgroverobert1986supe/page/n6/mode/1up" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://archive.org/details/frankgroverobert1986supe/page/n6/mode/1up" rel="nofollow">The Frank Grove [Modern/World] & Robert Grover [Ancient] Collections</a></i> (<a href="https://archive.org/details/frankgroverobert1986supe/page/n8/mode/1up" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://archive.org/details/frankgroverobert1986supe/page/n8/mode/1up" rel="nofollow">Bio on p. 8</a>) ; <a href="https://issuu.com/hjb-ancientcoins/docs/gemini_xiii" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://issuu.com/hjb-ancientcoins/docs/gemini_xiii" rel="nofollow">Gemini XIII, by Harlan J. Berk</a> (6 April 2017), <i>The Robert L. Grover Collection of Roman Egypt…</i> (Bio on p. 6) ; <i><a href="http://numismatics.org/ansmagazine/2018-2/html5/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://numismatics.org/ansmagazine/2018-2/html5/" rel="nofollow">ANS Magazine (2018) vol. 17 (2)</a></i>: pp. 20ff.]</p><p><i><br /></i></p><p><i><b>Coins</b>:</i> <i>Larissa AR Drachm (BCD)</i> ; <a href="https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/part-iv-alexandria/#Antoninus-Dattar-S14-17" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/part-iv-alexandria/#Antoninus-Dattar-S14-17" rel="nofollow"><i>Antoninus Sarapis Tetradrachm (Dattari, A.I.C.)</i></a> ; <i><a href="https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/part-iv-alexandria/#Trajan" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/part-iv-alexandria/#Trajan" rel="nofollow">Trajan Canopus Tetradrachm (A.I.C.)</a></i> ; <i>Gordian III Tetradrachm (A.I.C.)</i></p></blockquote><p>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24820008, member: 26430"][I][B]Note[/B]: My [URL='https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/#private-collections']"Provenance Glossary"[/URL] entry for R.L. Grover (1910-1998) excerpted at the very end of comment...[/I] (That's a great NF thread!!) [B][I]Aha[/I][/B] -- we share coins from that same group lot: Ex [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3734838']Gemini XIII (6 April 2017), Group Lot 460[/URL] (deaccession sale of Art Institute of Chicago, all ex Grover). Like many of the big lots, that group was not illustrated in the Gemini Catalog. Fortunately for us, [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/billon-comes-in-many-colors.296020/']a photo of the 16 coins was shared[/URL] on CoinTalk (mine is top center, yours is far right on row 2): [CENTER][I]photo by [USER=57495]@zumbly[/USER][/I][/CENTER] [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/gemini-a-pi-a-1400-jpg.622336/[/IMG] So our coins share the same chain-of-custody for about 120 years, from the late 19th/early 20th century in the Dattari Collection, through the Grover Collection, into and back out of the Art Institute of Chicago, through Harlan Berk/Gemini, until the last owner sold them to us! My coin = Dattari-Savio Suppl. pl 14, 17 = Art Institute of Chicago #1981.460, donated by R.L. Grover: [ATTACH=full]1588824[/ATTACH] [CENTER]***[/CENTER] I've also got one coin from the 1986 Superior Sale whose catalog you mentioned adding. It's a Thessaly, Larissa Drachm, and I bought it specifically for the Grover-to-BCD Collection provenance. (My exact reason -- explained below -- might sound crazy to anyone but me.) [ATTACH=full]1588825[/ATTACH] [I][B]Why THAT coin? [/B][/I] I collect (partly) by provenance but not just by "single provenance"; I collect by "[I]provenance networks[/I]." In other words, I don't just buy a coin because it's ex-Grover or ex-BCD collection. I buy it if it represents a [I]social network[/I] connecting at least two other collections (preferably more, of course). In this case, the Grover-->BCD link allowed me to connect two large, previously unconnected branches of my provenance networks. That one coin allowed me to add 11 more collections to my existing network of >50 other collections. It's shown in a red rectangle (more explanation below): [ATTACH=full]1588826[/ATTACH] The red line shows the new network, which is linked only by the Grover-->BCD coin. So, that one coin allowed me to connect Dattari, Righetti, ETB ([USER=70512]@Okidoki[/USER] ), Voirol, AK Collection & others, to the rest of my larger, interconnected network of Greek & Roman coin provenances. (Like "[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Degrees_of_Kevin_Bacon']Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon[/URL].") (The network diagram has grown further since then. I do still have a couple of big disconnected "islands" I need to attach. The bigger they get, the better the chance of finding a connection. Some day I'd like every single coin in my collection to be interconnected to all the others by previous ownership.) [CENTER]***[/CENTER] [B]R. L. GROVER BIO[/B]: I've probably mentioned my in-progress "Provenance Glossary" which I've been putting online: [URL]https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/#private-collections[/URL] My entry for "[B]GROVER, ROBERT L. (1910-1998)[/B]" is online (others still need to be posted): [INDENT]Chicago area attorney, attended Northwestern Law School, passed the IL Bar in 1934. Collection begun early in his legal career, formed c. 1930s – 1986. Donated major Alexandrian collection the Art Institute of Chicago (incl. many ex Dattari), 1978-1984, duplicates from which were de-accessioned and sold in Gemini XIII (cataloged by Curtis Clay). (At least 64 of those coins were purchased by the American Numismatic Society.) Made another substantial donation to the American Numismatic Association, incl. RIC. His remaining collection of Greek, Roman, Byzantine was sold at Superior Stamp & Coin in 1986 (see below). [Superior (11 Jun 1986), [I][URL='https://archive.org/details/frankgroverobert1986supe/page/n6/mode/1up']The Frank Grove [Modern/World] & Robert Grover [Ancient] Collections[/URL][/I] ([URL='https://archive.org/details/frankgroverobert1986supe/page/n8/mode/1up']Bio on p. 8[/URL]) ; [URL='https://issuu.com/hjb-ancientcoins/docs/gemini_xiii']Gemini XIII, by Harlan J. Berk[/URL] (6 April 2017), [I]The Robert L. Grover Collection of Roman Egypt…[/I] (Bio on p. 6) ; [I][URL='http://numismatics.org/ansmagazine/2018-2/html5/']ANS Magazine (2018) vol. 17 (2)[/URL][/I]: pp. 20ff.] [I] [B]Coins[/B]:[/I] [I]Larissa AR Drachm (BCD)[/I] ; [URL='https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/part-iv-alexandria/#Antoninus-Dattar-S14-17'][I]Antoninus Sarapis Tetradrachm (Dattari, A.I.C.)[/I][/URL] ; [I][URL='https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/part-iv-alexandria/#Trajan']Trajan Canopus Tetradrachm (A.I.C.)[/URL][/I] ; [I]Gordian III Tetradrachm (A.I.C.)[/I][/INDENT][/QUOTE]
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