Another one to report.

Here you go! Try going after this one

https://www.2012fiftydollarbuffalo.com/?mid=1351401

BTW, straight from an ad on TV

 

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Wanted to show another misleading ebay auction, but didn't want to start a new thread. So here's one troy ounce of German Silver.
I bet there's a lot of goofs out there who don't realize that German Silver contains no silver at all.
And yes, there's a disclaimer in the listing. But still. Obviously these are getting bid up too high.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Troy-oz-G...178?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a7705c9aa

 

Oh impressive fantasy bullion.

 

How is that auction misleading?

 

For one thing it says "One Troy Ounce German Silver" and is made of copper alloy. Copper is not measured in Troy ounces, nor are nickel or zinc. It is another worthless product that serves only to fool X amount of people until they are made to stop. Saying "German Silver" all over until the one place it is defined (which you pointed out) is misleading. Otherwise it would be titled "Copper/Nickel/Zinc (German Silver) Art Bar" and would not intentionally mislead by being stamped as being a "troy ounce" of anything.

 

Did the seller make the bar himself? Did he stamp the words "One Troy Ounce" on the bar?

It is highly unlikely that the seller did. Since he points out that German Silver is not real silver the auction cannot be misleading.
If somebody buys that bar without reading the description they are at fault. Even if that disclaimer towards the bottom of the page was not there, and even if the disclaimer at the top of the page that says, "This is not silver," was not there, the auction would still not be misleading. If a buyer cannot do the research to find out what "German Silver" is then they are at fault.
And if the buyer is told up front that it is not silver and they still buy it thinking it is silver, the seller should have to take no blame.

 

I have no clue what you guys want. They say exactly what it is. Just because you do not understand its function does not mean someone else cannot sell it to a third party for their enjoyment. Since when can we not sell whatever we want . If I could dictate what we could sell, I might ban all bullion. Why not?

BTW, it is not uncommon for copper to be sold in Troy!

 

If I had to guess, I would say to avoid the responsibility of due diligence and/or all personal accountability.

 

I don't know or care. Do you know for sure they aren't? The seller of a fake is just as guilty as the producer of the fake in my view. No offence, but do you not think your vehement defence of these pseudo-bullion bars and the barely legal tactics of the people who sell them may make others think maybe you are a seller of them? Nothing personal; just pointing out to you the way you are coming across to me. No offense.

A reasonable person would think that German Silver (as written in the title) means silver that originated from Germany. Not that it is "German Silver" which is a poor-man's imitation. Even just putting it in quotes would have been more honest. This is misleading.

Did you notice this part? "This silver is wanted and has been collected for years by metal enthusiates." Is this not a boldfaced lie? Misleading.

Define "Fine German Silver .999" . By definition, the slang term "German Silver" can never be .999 fine anything. None of the components' purity levels are ever described with a term like ".XXX Fine" Misleading at best. More like theft by swindle if you ask me.

 

There's One Born Every Minute

 

Where can I buy tickets to the Ebay Policemans Ball?

 

I don't even think these bars have a legitimate purpose. I mean who actually collects 100 mills gold bars, German silver bars, silver clad bars, etc?

I don't actually think these bars serve any kind of purpose other than to con people into buying them.

This is just more junk being made in Communist China. I bet all the bars sold help the fakers make more fake coins. This kind of stuff was never even manufactured in the US.

 

I've only seen it sold in Troy on ebay in the form of rounds or bars. The metal spot charts I use only say $X/pound when it comes to copper. I dunno. I'm not going to argue endlessly over it as I'll never buy one. And I don't mind the sale of them in general. Just do it straightforward and honest, not sprinkling the description of a misleadingly titled item with just enough truth to say "Look it's not misrepresented! See, right there .... see it? It says 'not silver' right under the part that says "This silver is wanted and has been collected for years by metal enthusiates." " I think we all know what these sellers are doing.

 

As hard as many people have tried throughout the history of the world, the one
thing that no one has ever accomplished is protecting people from themselves.

 

You can definitely be within the limits of the truth and legality and still be misleading. This happens all the time.
Just another shady "bullion" bar that I thought I would point out.
It's true, there's no legitimate purposes for these type of items. The only purpose is to fool those that are less knowledgeable.

The dude also sells these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAP...ms1FKPmmGf%2BsqxaaAzw%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
Who would pay $15 bucks for that? A couple grams of silver and a few milligrams of gold?

 

Here AGAIN! If someone can show me why either eBay listing is more deceptive than this ad. I will listen to your further arguments. Elsewise, you are just blowing smoke. Make sure you don't get burned by it.

BTW, purpose would be decoration. That is absolutely legitimate!

 

It's not fake. It's German Silver.

No I do not think a single person on this message board thinks I sell those.
eBay name is "tmoneyeagles," feel free to check my auctions. There are none. The last two things I sold were a Jefferson Nickel and 1 ounce of copper bullion. I don't really sell a whole lot and I've completed many transactions on Coin Talk, Collector's Universe and eBay. I've never once sold a "German Silver" bar.

I defend this vehemently because I would be the first one to jump on this guy's case, or any guy's case if something dishonest was afoot. If there is no dishonesty present, the seller should not be subject to accusations.

All the buyer's fault at that point. The seller is accurately calling it what it is, "German Silver."
If the buyer doesn't know exactly what that means, that is the buyer's fault.

No, this isn't a lie. "This silver" is referring to the German Silver which he already said was not "real" silver. Maybe some people really do collect this. I wouldn't know. I certainly don't collect this type of bullion.

Then tell that to the people who make the bars.

 

Evidence please. For all three of those claims.

And a quick note:

rlm's cents has always posted other's fraudulent or legitimately fake eBay auctions for all of us to report before. I think he has much credibility in this matter.

 

My opinion of this type of the thing is no different than these bars. I agree wholeheartedly that they are equally deceptive, however. And I know I'm just itching to include some in my home decor

 

That ad is very deceptive, as are most ads by the National Collector's Mint. That coin contains less than $1 worth of gold. Actually, there are tons of coin related ads in popular publications (like Reader's Digest) that are purposefully deceptive. Kinda gets me P.O.'ed.