Another one to report.

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Detecto92, Jul 5, 2012.

  1. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    The seller's photo of the reverse side of the bar:

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    See the word CLAD there?

    Hello, it's clad, it can't be mistaken for a solid silver bar because it's C-L-A-D!
     
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  3. Blaubart

    Blaubart Melt Value = 4.50

    I hope you're being sarcastic, because I know there are a whole lot of people out there who have bought these believing they were buying 1 ounce of silver.

    How do I know? Simple, by looking through completed listings of items like these. Most of them sell for $5 or so, but there are occasionally a few that sell for $30. Now, why on earth would a one ounce clad bar sell for right around the spot price of silver unless someone thought they were buying an ounce of silver? I'd imagine more of them would sell for a higher price, but it takes two suckers to bid the price up.

    I think it's pretty shady, but apparently, it isn't against FeeBay policies... :rollling:
     
  4. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Shady? Really? The listing says "clad" 24 times and even has a set of definitions including clad and plated. The bar says clad at least twice. But somehow you still think it is shady? How many times do they have to hit you with that 2 by 4 before you realize it is clad? Please don't ever watch QVC. You would buy the whole store.
     
  5. Detecto92

    Detecto92 Well-Known Member

    The description is fine, it's the item itself that is shady.

    Yes, it does say in clad we trust. But, that does not say the bar itself is clad. It could say "in pigeons we trust" for all that matter.

    On the front of the bar, it says "1 troy ounce 999 silver", but it does not say clad, plated, mills, etc.

    There is not 1 troy ounce of silver in this bar.

    But my point is, it's not shady for the buyers, but what if these appeared at auction? People are going to see the "1 troy ounce 999 silver" and bid. Yes, the bar says "In clad we trust", but it does not say the bar itself is clad.

    That's a small issue right now, the main one is this.

    http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2F1-OZ-OUNCE-GERMAN-NAZI-SWASTIKA-999-PURE-24K-GOLD-3RD-REICH-IRON-CROSS-WWII-BAR-%2F180920408482%3Fpt%3DUK_Coins_Bullion_Bars_SM%26hash%3Ditem2a1fb259a2%23ht_2936wt_1270

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    es, the listing does say clad, but NOWHERE on the bar does it say clad.

    Now if someone "snuck" a few of these in an auction, it could cause a major issue. People will bid thinking it's gold.

    Not only that, but the seller is called "US mint".

    The bigger picture is...why even make these? They are made to do nothing but deceive.
     
  6. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

  7. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

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  8. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna


    Are you more concerned that this would fool YOU or someone else? Have you actually handled gold before? I assume not and think its time you refocus your crusade.
     
  9. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    I remember that song. "Cry Me A Ribbet" by big Frog and the Toads. :D
     

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  10. 1970 Silver Art

    1970 Silver Art Silver Art Bar Collector

    Here is a thread that I wrote on another forum that mentions most bars to avoid when bidding on ebay:

    http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?33074-A-list-of-bars-to-avoid-when-bidding-on-ebay

    This should cover most bars that were mentioned in this and on other past threads here.

    EDIT: Most of the ebay sellers of the ebay auctions that I have seen on the bars mentioned in that above link are honest in what they are selling by stating what it is in their description. That above link is just a FYI so people will get an idea of the type of silver-plated bars they see on ebay just in case an ebay seller is dishonest about what they are selling.
     
  11. longnine009

    longnine009 Darwin has to eat too. Supporter

    We don't make the world better by saving anyone from their
    lack of knowledge, effort or just plain stupidity. We only foster
    dependency, poor victum me mentality and weakness. Let the ill
    prepared shoot themselves in the foot. The desire to advoid more
    pain is wonderful incentive to be knowledgable and independant.
     
  12. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Ahhh. So regardless of the fact that the seller puts "Clad" in the title and the pictures show that the piece is "clad", eBay must figure out a way of protecting "stupid" from him/herself?

    Better yet, its "a shady practice" to even offer these for sale?

    Is that what you're saying?
     
  13. buddy16cat

    buddy16cat Well-Known Member

    I had that happened to me once. Someone told me this gram bar was solid gold when it was only gold plated. I got my money back though and got to keep the bar that I think I accidentally thew out. It probably belonged in the garbage anyhow.
     
  14. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    WOW!

    This one is really shady AND he got someone to bid it upto a whole $16.35! That buyer must be absolutely elated to have ripped a full ounce of Gold valued at $1600 from this "shady seller" for only $16.35!

    Hmph!
     
  15. jjack

    jjack Captain Obvious

    This thread could use some pictures, watch out sellers selling bars marked as clad here comes the...

    cyber_police.jpg
     
  16. Blaubart

    Blaubart Melt Value = 4.50

    This.

    I have seen some auctions where you really have to search for clad, or mills, or plated. I don't think any of us are going to fall for this, but there are a lot of novices out there.
     
  17. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    Anyone who thinks this is a real 1 ounce bar for considerably less than melt, should be offered the Brooklyn Bridge for the same price.
     
  18. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

  19. rodeoclown

    rodeoclown Dodging Bulls

    Being ignorant on a purchase isn't an excuse to me though. Although it's shady, we live in a shady world. People should educate themselves before any purchase, even small purchases. If they couldn't take the few minutes to confirm if something is real or not, then they deserve to lose money for being ignorant I say.

    I spent at least a good half hour to an hour just determining what elevated dog bed is going to be perfect for my pooper. ;)
     
  20. Blaubart

    Blaubart Melt Value = 4.50

    I agree, except that I probably wouldn't go so far as to say they "deserve to lose money".
     
  21. Chiefbullsit

    Chiefbullsit CRAZY HORSE

    Why should a buyer have to search pics when the opening title and the first photo you see clearly states "ONE OUNCE OF SILVER BULLION". It doesn't say SILVER/CLAD it says SILVER. Seller is wrong and his feedback clearly indicates that. Ebay should yank his auctions until he does his listings correctly.

    My auctions are 100% honest, I expect no less from ANY seller....period !!!
     
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