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<p>[QUOTE="+VGO.DVCKS, post: 4275508, member: 110504"]This is brilliant stuff, Seth. Your citation and (re)interpretation of that one old history of Berry is especially impressive. </p><p> (...About which, bibliographic details, especially in reference to Google Books --?-- would be keenly appreciated. I can read French only at the level of "Coin Latin," and still have trouble navigating the website of La Bibliotheque Nationale. ...Whoah, and the website is inactive for now.)</p><p> And, Rats, I can't find a .jpg of the one example I found, several years ago. But ...well, Okay, it's Maybe Just That Little Bit better than yours. </p><p> Fun story about it. It was on French ebay, unattributed, and the side with the castle was upside down! Kind of looked like a Punk /representational Expressionist version of Mickey Mouse.</p><p> Except, Bet you knew this, on that side, the diagonal line on the lower right is, in fact, repeated on the lower left.</p><p> Now it gets fun. Time to back up a minute. Anyone familiar with Roberts gets to know that, for representations of castles anywhere in the French feudal series, this is Crazy Early. It's almost ironic, until you take into consideration the limitations of the engraving technolology, particularly relative to ancient coins. (Kind of, All Punches, All the Time.)</p><p> The two diagonal lines, going into the legend, denote a motte. Thank you, as in English (and, before that, French) motte-and-bailey castles. Many of whose 'keeps,' on both sides of the Channel, were rebuilt in stone, especially over the course of the 12th century. </p><p> In the case of St.-Aignan, as elsewhere, this was only easier if the castle began life on a natural hill, instead of an artificial 'motte,' which, especially in Norman England, usually involved corralling the local Saxons to do a whole (expl. del.) lot of digging.</p><p> ...Right, here's the punch line. And for anyone who got this far, sorry for keeping you waiting this long. Here are two pictures of the castle that I found online. (Problem with St.-Aignan is that the medieval castle --to all appearances, c. 12th to 13th centuries --is dwarfed by the subsequent, renaissance chateau to the right. Even more nefariously, the chateau is for our purposes, with lots of augmentation up to the 19th century. Some of it, especially that late, is in Voillet-le-Duc-ian"neo-Gothic," which complicates the whole effect.)[ATTACH=full]1088201[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1088176[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="+VGO.DVCKS, post: 4275508, member: 110504"]This is brilliant stuff, Seth. Your citation and (re)interpretation of that one old history of Berry is especially impressive. (...About which, bibliographic details, especially in reference to Google Books --?-- would be keenly appreciated. I can read French only at the level of "Coin Latin," and still have trouble navigating the website of La Bibliotheque Nationale. ...Whoah, and the website is inactive for now.) And, Rats, I can't find a .jpg of the one example I found, several years ago. But ...well, Okay, it's Maybe Just That Little Bit better than yours. Fun story about it. It was on French ebay, unattributed, and the side with the castle was upside down! Kind of looked like a Punk /representational Expressionist version of Mickey Mouse. Except, Bet you knew this, on that side, the diagonal line on the lower right is, in fact, repeated on the lower left. Now it gets fun. Time to back up a minute. Anyone familiar with Roberts gets to know that, for representations of castles anywhere in the French feudal series, this is Crazy Early. It's almost ironic, until you take into consideration the limitations of the engraving technolology, particularly relative to ancient coins. (Kind of, All Punches, All the Time.) The two diagonal lines, going into the legend, denote a motte. Thank you, as in English (and, before that, French) motte-and-bailey castles. Many of whose 'keeps,' on both sides of the Channel, were rebuilt in stone, especially over the course of the 12th century. In the case of St.-Aignan, as elsewhere, this was only easier if the castle began life on a natural hill, instead of an artificial 'motte,' which, especially in Norman England, usually involved corralling the local Saxons to do a whole (expl. del.) lot of digging. ...Right, here's the punch line. And for anyone who got this far, sorry for keeping you waiting this long. Here are two pictures of the castle that I found online. (Problem with St.-Aignan is that the medieval castle --to all appearances, c. 12th to 13th centuries --is dwarfed by the subsequent, renaissance chateau to the right. Even more nefariously, the chateau is for our purposes, with lots of augmentation up to the 19th century. Some of it, especially that late, is in Voillet-le-Duc-ian"neo-Gothic," which complicates the whole effect.)[ATTACH=full]1088201[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1088176[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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