Another Morgan Dollar GTG: PNNA Show pick ups.

'66

'65

That's a danged well struck 'who dat' dollar.....

 

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64 pl & 64

 

63 PL and 66.

 

Ok, it's reveal time.

The 1880-S was a head scratcher as to the lack of designation. It received no DMPL or PL designation. The obverse mirrors are amazing and would fit in nicely as an emergency signal mirror for a Boy Scout kit. The rest of the coin is very acceptable in my opinion for the assigned grade. One thing that really stood out and had me on the fence choosing between this and another similar coin is the reeding hit in front of the eagles face. The other coin just did not have the mirrors this one has. So this may go in for a designation review at some point. I'm wondering if it was part of a bulk submission and the graders just went right on past it.



This second coin the 1885-O is in one of my favorite holders, the old NGC no line fatty. When I saw this one, I knew it had to be mine and the price was almost too good.

 

You are correct sir!! Liberty is absolutely frosty and on the verge of being cameo in appearance. Most of the disruptions are in fact frost breaks and look worse in images than they do in hand.

 

I'm sure surprised. Can't wait for the show report.

 

Is the luster off on the 1885-O? The surfaces appear to be premium gem. The toning is what I would consider neutral but if the luster is flat, it would help explain the grade.

 

The luster is not the strongest, certainly not an early S mint Morgan. I think it might hold it back from a 66, but certainly not a 64.

Here's a video of it.


And for anyone else that may want to see a video of the 1880-S...

 

+1

 

This shows me the difference between now and then grading.

 

Guessing ^^^^ in your GTG's without even looking at the coins gives you a 50-50 shot of being right

 

65 and 64, wow either I, or PCGS and NGC were really off on this one. I’m going with me being right of course.

 

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Are you saying I'm predictable? LOL

 

That and the spittle in front of Liberty and the marks on the cheek kept me from going higher than MS-63. I have learned how to read PL/DMPL from your photos. Your PLs still show a bit of cartwheel luster, while this example has little of it. I’d expect solid 6-8” mirrors at least. Probably another stupid net grade.

To some people on this forum, those mean wear and thus the coin should grade no higher than MS-61/62. But if they accept these coins’ grades, then their standards are obviously horribly inconsistent.

 

I said frost breaks and not luster breaks. There is no wear on this coin. Simply there are very light bag marks that causes a disruption in the frost. The spots appear very shinny in hand and appear very dark in an image. But if you look at them in hand under magnification, there is very little surface damage compared to a direct hit that displaces metal.

 

I know. Apparently to them that counts as “wear.” Check out the discussion on bag rub in my 1941 half dollar thread.

 

Wait, what? People are seriously calling luster grazes wear? That ain't right, I will check out the thread you are talking about.

 

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Did you get scratched by a kitty?

 

Unacceptable......