Another mixed lot--16 worn older coppers

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by The Eidolon, Aug 17, 2021.

  1. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    Too late to add this in an edit, but I finally realised that "HIERVSA" is just Jerusalem for a claim (I assume) to the defunct Kingdom of Jerusalem. So the Naples arms of this era are a combination of the arms for the Kingdom of Sicily and the Kingdom of Jerusalem. I can't find a cleaner image on a coin, but this version of the combined arms seem to show up mostly on larger Neapolitan coppers from the 1600s.
    Sicily:
    Arms_of_the_Aragonese_Kings_of_Sicily_(Shape_Variant).svg.png
    Jerusalem
    1010px-Arms_of_the_Kingdom_of_Jerusalem.svg.png
     
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  3. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    Row 1, #4: Russia, 1 Kopeck, Pavel I, 1797-1801 (maybe 1800)
    ~26 mm (irregular), 9.15 g. I'm pretty sure about the monogram matching Pavel I, but I can't read the date on the reverse clearly. I think getting the light just right the first two digits are 18xx, and the last one looks round, so maybe 1800.
    Russia Kopeck Pavel I 1797-1801.jpg
     
  4. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    Row 3, #3: Naples, Felipe II, 3 Cavalli 1568-1599
    Reverse has a Jersulam Cross with "IN" of "IN.HOC.SIGNO.VINCES" at 7:00
    Ob: Very worn bearded face. Date and mint marks not readable.
    Naples, Felipe II, 3 Cavalli 1568-1599.jpg

    Also, for Row 4, #2, please see this thread for ID. (Neapolitan Republic, 1648)
     
  5. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    Row 2, #3: Naples, 9 Cavalli, Philip IV, 1626-30
    Copper, ~27 mm (irregular), 6.06 g
    Ob: Armored bust, "PHILIPPVS IIII DG R X MC"
    Rev: Castle with 3 towers dividing date, "FIDEI. CATHOLICE. CVLTOR"
    I can make out the 16 to the left of the castle, but not the rest of the date or the rim lettering. Philip IIII of Spain was also Philip III of Portugal. The image linked on Numista shows the castle a little better, but other side is even worse than mine.
    Naples 9 Cavalli Philip IV, 1626-30.jpg
     
  6. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    In case any of you were eagerly awaiting it, with a lot of help from all of you, I think we have an ID for all 16 coins:
    mixed 1.jpg mixed 2.jpg
    Left to right from top row:
    1.1 Ottoman 10 Para 1854
    Ottoman 10 Para 1854.jpg
    1.2 Naples Filippo IV 1622-1624 Grano
    Naples Filippo IV 1622-1624 Grano.jpg
    1.3 Sardinia 5 Centesimi 1826
    Sardinia 5 Centesimi 1826.jpg
    1.4 Russia Kopeck Pavel I 1800
    Russia Kopeck Pavel I 1800jpg.jpg
     
  7. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    2.1 Naples Carlos II Grano 1677-1683
    Naples Carlos II Grano 1677-1683.jpg
    2.2 Kingdom of the 2 Sicilies, 1 1/2 Tornese 1853
    Kingdom of the 2 Sicilies, 1 1:2 Tornese 1853.jpg
    2.3 Naples 9 Cavalli Philip IV, 1626-30
    Naples 9 Cavalli Philip IV, 1626-30.jpg
    2.4 Iran 1 Shahi 1305AH 1888
    Iran 1 Shahi 1305AH 1888.jpg
     
  8. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    3.1 Russia 1 Denga 1730-1754
    Russia 1 Denga 1730-1754.jpg
    3.2 Sicily 1782 2 Grani Ferdinando
    Sicily 1782 2 Grani Ferdinando.jpg
    3.3 Naples, Felipe II, 3 Cavalli 1568-1599
    Naples, Felipe II, 3 Cavalli 1568-1599.jpg
    3.4 Naples 1 Tornese 1610-1620 Filippo III
    Naples 1 Tornese 1610-1620 Filippo III.jpg
     
  9. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    4.1 Naples 1 Tornese Filippo III 1607-1617
    Naples 1 Tornese Filippo III 1607-1617.jpg
    4.2 Republic of Naples 1648 3 Tornesi
    Republic of Naples 1648 3 Tornesi.jpg
    4.3 Lucca Quattrino 1658 Otto
    Lucca Quattrino 1658 Otto.jpg
    4.4 Naples Carlo V 1516-1556 (2 Cavalli?)
    Naples Carlo V 1516-1556.jpg
    Anyway, many hours of entertainment and/or work for $45, depending on one's point of view. Worth it to me, at least. The find of the bunch was the Republic of Naples coin. I would up giving it a way to a collector with a more particular interest in Italian states than I have. Thanks for all the help with IDing these.
     
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