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<p>[QUOTE="robinjojo, post: 8260884, member: 110226"]Yes, imitation is the term to use for these non-Dutch lion daalders. They were imitated for pretty much the same reason that other types of coins over the past thousands of years were imitated, such as the Athenian tetradrachms of the 5th and 4th centuries BC. It was simply expedient for other rulers and other authorities to produce coinage that is readily accepted widely, than to create a new design that might not be as acceptable.</p><p><br /></p><p>I do, however, distinguish between imitative coins produced by an official issuing authority versus coins produced privately, usually plated, with the clear intent to deceive and defraud anyone who has the misfortune of possessing one of these fakes.</p><p><br /></p><p>Thanks</p><p><br /></p><p>There are, however, some legitimate rulers who did produce plated lion daalders. Perhaps the best known, which you might have encountered, was a lion daalder issued in 1660 in Rietberg, a county in East Friesland, by Johann IV von Ostfriesland-Rietberg, born 1618 and died 1660. </p><p><br /></p><p>These coins do show up from time to time at auction or on dealer websites. They are are all very low weight, lower than even by the wide standard for lion daalders, and they generally exhibit areas of plate loss.</p><p><br /></p><p>This coin is no exception. The copper or base metal core can be seen in spots on the obverse, especially, but also on the reverse. The legend has two retrograde Ds on the obverse legend. I find the obverse legend pretty garbled and hard, at least for me, to decipher, mainly the last part.</p><p><br /></p><p>KM 71.2; Dav. ECT 7326A</p><p><br /></p><p>22.16 grams</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1456885[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I also have an Italian half lion daalder, also plated, that was issued by ruler who played some hanky pranky with his lion daalders, courtesy of sliver plating. I'll try to photograph it tomorrow.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="robinjojo, post: 8260884, member: 110226"]Yes, imitation is the term to use for these non-Dutch lion daalders. They were imitated for pretty much the same reason that other types of coins over the past thousands of years were imitated, such as the Athenian tetradrachms of the 5th and 4th centuries BC. It was simply expedient for other rulers and other authorities to produce coinage that is readily accepted widely, than to create a new design that might not be as acceptable. I do, however, distinguish between imitative coins produced by an official issuing authority versus coins produced privately, usually plated, with the clear intent to deceive and defraud anyone who has the misfortune of possessing one of these fakes. Thanks There are, however, some legitimate rulers who did produce plated lion daalders. Perhaps the best known, which you might have encountered, was a lion daalder issued in 1660 in Rietberg, a county in East Friesland, by Johann IV von Ostfriesland-Rietberg, born 1618 and died 1660. These coins do show up from time to time at auction or on dealer websites. They are are all very low weight, lower than even by the wide standard for lion daalders, and they generally exhibit areas of plate loss. This coin is no exception. The copper or base metal core can be seen in spots on the obverse, especially, but also on the reverse. The legend has two retrograde Ds on the obverse legend. I find the obverse legend pretty garbled and hard, at least for me, to decipher, mainly the last part. KM 71.2; Dav. ECT 7326A 22.16 grams [ATTACH=full]1456885[/ATTACH] I also have an Italian half lion daalder, also plated, that was issued by ruler who played some hanky pranky with his lion daalders, courtesy of sliver plating. I'll try to photograph it tomorrow.[/QUOTE]
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