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<p>[QUOTE="TIF, post: 2383396, member: 56859"]Very interesting, [USER=74282]@red_spork[/USER]!</p><p><br /></p><p>I hadn't read about much (okay, anything <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie10" alt=":oops:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />) about the the history of these issues when I bought this bronze from Rome under Macedon rule:</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cointalk.com%2Fproxy.php%3Fimage%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fstatic.wixstatic.com%252Fmedia%252Fae43f8_c2531bf482334eedb37350c8988118fd.jpg%252Fv1%252Ffit%252Fw_800%252Ch_397%252Cq_75%252Fae43f8_c2531bf482334eedb37350c8988118fd.jpg%26hash%3D1f1c94c285fc49e3cfa05f856d47eff6&hash=343bcb7b6210eb6fe05137b7c513a6a2" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><b>MACEDON, under Roman rule</b></p><p><b>D. Junius Silanus Manlianus, praetor</b></p><p>142-141 BCE</p><p>AE, 20 x 22 mm, 9.5 gm</p><p>Obv: Facing mask of Silenus, wearing ivy wreath</p><p>Rev: MAKE ΔONΩN legend In two lines; D above; all within ivy wreath</p><p>Ref: SNG Copenhagen 1324</p><p><br /></p><p>Reading your information from MacKay, I have more questions and will have to do a considerable amount of reading and searching before I can even articulate those questions.</p><p><br /></p><p>Although there isn't a large pool of these for study in online databases, almost all of the Junius Silanus bronzes are attributed as year 142-141. I didn't think to question the specificity but assumed there was some historical record firmly placing the man as praetor at that time. Am I wrong about that? Were the dates for the Silenus-mask bronzes worked out based on the Lucius Fulcinnius and Gaius Publilius bronzes? So confusing...</p><p><br /></p><p>Perhaps a bigger question is how the "mask of Silenus" types were tied to Silanus in the first place. Hoard evidence + firm knowledge of Junius Silanus as praetor around that time + assumption of a visual pun?</p><p><br /></p><p>If there is firm evidence for the date of Junius Silanus's praetorship, and if MacKay is correct, might the "mask of Silenus" bronzes have been issued under a different praetor?</p><p><br /></p><p>These may not even be the right questions-- it is entirely possible that I am not fully grasping the timeline and players <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="TIF, post: 2383396, member: 56859"]Very interesting, [USER=74282]@red_spork[/USER]! I hadn't read about much (okay, anything :oops:) about the the history of these issues when I bought this bronze from Rome under Macedon rule: [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cointalk.com%2Fproxy.php%3Fimage%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fstatic.wixstatic.com%252Fmedia%252Fae43f8_c2531bf482334eedb37350c8988118fd.jpg%252Fv1%252Ffit%252Fw_800%252Ch_397%252Cq_75%252Fae43f8_c2531bf482334eedb37350c8988118fd.jpg%26hash%3D1f1c94c285fc49e3cfa05f856d47eff6&hash=343bcb7b6210eb6fe05137b7c513a6a2[/IMG] [B]MACEDON, under Roman rule D. Junius Silanus Manlianus, praetor[/B] 142-141 BCE AE, 20 x 22 mm, 9.5 gm Obv: Facing mask of Silenus, wearing ivy wreath Rev: MAKE ΔONΩN legend In two lines; D above; all within ivy wreath Ref: SNG Copenhagen 1324 Reading your information from MacKay, I have more questions and will have to do a considerable amount of reading and searching before I can even articulate those questions. Although there isn't a large pool of these for study in online databases, almost all of the Junius Silanus bronzes are attributed as year 142-141. I didn't think to question the specificity but assumed there was some historical record firmly placing the man as praetor at that time. Am I wrong about that? Were the dates for the Silenus-mask bronzes worked out based on the Lucius Fulcinnius and Gaius Publilius bronzes? So confusing... Perhaps a bigger question is how the "mask of Silenus" types were tied to Silanus in the first place. Hoard evidence + firm knowledge of Junius Silanus as praetor around that time + assumption of a visual pun? If there is firm evidence for the date of Junius Silanus's praetorship, and if MacKay is correct, might the "mask of Silenus" bronzes have been issued under a different praetor? These may not even be the right questions-- it is entirely possible that I am not fully grasping the timeline and players :D.[/QUOTE]
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