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<p>[QUOTE="Lolli, post: 4564849, member: 96900"]"After showing him the replica die matches, I asked if it was a genuine ancient, his reply was simply,"</p><p><br /></p><p>"Nothing is fake, just Your assumption."</p><p><br /></p><p>This coin is fake and he must have refunded you, there can not be 2 opinions!</p><p>And in such a clear case this or better his behavior can not be excused.</p><p>The evidence for your other coin you bought from Lanz being fake were not convincing enough for me to be sure that the coin must be necessarily fake but it could well be fake but in such cases it is not obligatory to refund the money if doubts are rised and only some dealers and auction houses will still refund you they money but some will not! To know taht a coin is fake can be easy with some skills and experience but to prove it can be in some cases very difficult and time consuming.</p><p>I still think that Lanz never ever offered you for the other coin to send it back for refund, only to send back to sell it again for you without charging fees for selling it again, because this is how he did it in the IBSCC condemned Mithradates case.</p><p>And if you then send it back he possibly thought you accepted his offer because he offerd you only the resell it and never a refund.</p><p><br /></p><p>That he made fun of you is well possible, it would fit to him and I think he and other auction houses and dealers have often the problem that some buyers regret later their buys and want to have a refund. And some dealers and auction houses are not so great too if it comes to a refund and it can be really annoying to get the money back <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Made bad experiences and good experiences too if it comes to a refund of money for fakes or misdescribed coins bought by reputable dealers or auction house. But will not make public, at the end I got my money back and from the ones I made bad experience I will not buy again and from the others I amde good experinces I bought again and will do again in future.</p><p>You only notice if an auction house or a dealer is reliable if there will occour problems like refunding money for fake or misdescribed coins or stolen coins in mail.</p><p><br /></p><p>Like always you only notice the real character of humens if there will be problems.</p><p><br /></p><p>"You should never have such a bad coin in Your collection and graded by NGC or anyone. It was probably ungradable."</p><p><br /></p><p>NGC is actually grading even manipulated and polished fakes, Chinese fake of German Thaler, posted to another Forum, I post here pictures of fakes from same dies with identical scratches and the NGC fake has deeper scratches missing on the other fakes and softer details from polishing so the NGC piece can not be the mother, if so they must have been recutting details and removing deep scratches and they can not remove scratches.</p><p>The problem that you can not see and authenticate the edge and alloy of slabbed coins and this makes it later really difficult to authenticate slabbed coin in slabbes without removing the slab. Not sure how they missed this fake generally NGC is not that bad if it comes to modern coin.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/2311759-001/NGCDetails/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/2311759-001/NGCDetails/" rel="nofollow">https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/2311759-001/NGCDetails/</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://coins.ha.com/itm/german-states/anhalt-bernburg/german-states-anhalt-bernburg-alexander-carl-2-taler-1840a-/a/3014-23949.s?type=acsearch3014" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://coins.ha.com/itm/german-states/anhalt-bernburg/german-states-anhalt-bernburg-alexander-carl-2-taler-1840a-/a/3014-23949.s?type=acsearch3014" rel="nofollow">https://coins.ha.com/itm/german-states/anhalt-bernburg/german-states-anhalt-bernburg-alexander-carl-2-taler-1840a-/a/3014-23949.s?type=acsearch3014</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=980774" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=980774" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=980774</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces30792.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces30792.html" rel="nofollow">https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces30792.html</a></p><p><br /></p><p>On ebay this fakes cost 30 Dollar, the on from 1845 and 1855 have identical scratch on revers so this reverse was recut from 4 to a 5 and obverse is identical with identical scratches. </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.de/itm/1845-A-GERMANY-Anhalt-Bernburg-Two-Thaler-High-Guality-Silver-Copy/324144019232?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.de/itm/1845-A-GERMANY-Anhalt-Bernburg-Two-Thaler-High-Guality-Silver-Copy/324144019232?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649" rel="nofollow">https://www.ebay.de/itm/1845-A-GERMANY-Anhalt-Bernburg-Two-Thaler-High-Guality-Silver-Copy/324144019232?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.de/itm/1855-A-GERMANY-Anhalt-Bernburg-Two-Thaler-High-Guality-Silver-Copy/324144019218?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.de/itm/1855-A-GERMANY-Anhalt-Bernburg-Two-Thaler-High-Guality-Silver-Copy/324144019218?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649" rel="nofollow">https://www.ebay.de/itm/1855-A-GERMANY-Anhalt-Bernburg-Two-Thaler-High-Guality-Silver-Copy/324144019218?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1130323[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1130324[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lolli, post: 4564849, member: 96900"]"After showing him the replica die matches, I asked if it was a genuine ancient, his reply was simply," "Nothing is fake, just Your assumption." This coin is fake and he must have refunded you, there can not be 2 opinions! And in such a clear case this or better his behavior can not be excused. The evidence for your other coin you bought from Lanz being fake were not convincing enough for me to be sure that the coin must be necessarily fake but it could well be fake but in such cases it is not obligatory to refund the money if doubts are rised and only some dealers and auction houses will still refund you they money but some will not! To know taht a coin is fake can be easy with some skills and experience but to prove it can be in some cases very difficult and time consuming. I still think that Lanz never ever offered you for the other coin to send it back for refund, only to send back to sell it again for you without charging fees for selling it again, because this is how he did it in the IBSCC condemned Mithradates case. And if you then send it back he possibly thought you accepted his offer because he offerd you only the resell it and never a refund. That he made fun of you is well possible, it would fit to him and I think he and other auction houses and dealers have often the problem that some buyers regret later their buys and want to have a refund. And some dealers and auction houses are not so great too if it comes to a refund and it can be really annoying to get the money back :( Made bad experiences and good experiences too if it comes to a refund of money for fakes or misdescribed coins bought by reputable dealers or auction house. But will not make public, at the end I got my money back and from the ones I made bad experience I will not buy again and from the others I amde good experinces I bought again and will do again in future. You only notice if an auction house or a dealer is reliable if there will occour problems like refunding money for fake or misdescribed coins or stolen coins in mail. Like always you only notice the real character of humens if there will be problems. "You should never have such a bad coin in Your collection and graded by NGC or anyone. It was probably ungradable." NGC is actually grading even manipulated and polished fakes, Chinese fake of German Thaler, posted to another Forum, I post here pictures of fakes from same dies with identical scratches and the NGC fake has deeper scratches missing on the other fakes and softer details from polishing so the NGC piece can not be the mother, if so they must have been recutting details and removing deep scratches and they can not remove scratches. The problem that you can not see and authenticate the edge and alloy of slabbed coins and this makes it later really difficult to authenticate slabbed coin in slabbes without removing the slab. Not sure how they missed this fake generally NGC is not that bad if it comes to modern coin. [URL]https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/2311759-001/NGCDetails/[/URL] [URL]https://coins.ha.com/itm/german-states/anhalt-bernburg/german-states-anhalt-bernburg-alexander-carl-2-taler-1840a-/a/3014-23949.s?type=acsearch3014[/URL] [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=980774[/URL] [URL]https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces30792.html[/URL] On ebay this fakes cost 30 Dollar, the on from 1845 and 1855 have identical scratch on revers so this reverse was recut from 4 to a 5 and obverse is identical with identical scratches. [URL='https://www.ebay.de/itm/1845-A-GERMANY-Anhalt-Bernburg-Two-Thaler-High-Guality-Silver-Copy/324144019232?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649']https://www.ebay.de/itm/1845-A-GERMANY-Anhalt-Bernburg-Two-Thaler-High-Guality-Silver-Copy/324144019232?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649[/URL] [URL='https://www.ebay.de/itm/1855-A-GERMANY-Anhalt-Bernburg-Two-Thaler-High-Guality-Silver-Copy/324144019218?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649']https://www.ebay.de/itm/1855-A-GERMANY-Anhalt-Bernburg-Two-Thaler-High-Guality-Silver-Copy/324144019218?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649[/URL] [ATTACH=full]1130323[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1130324[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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