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<p>[QUOTE="DonnaML, post: 4432595, member: 110350"]You're completely ignoring the fact that we don't simply have Nemo's recollection of what happened. We have his and Lanz's email correspondence on the subject, which is "not clear" <u>only</u> if you're accusing Nemo of forging that correspondence. Lanz had a chance to explain his actions to Nemo in that correspondence, and failed to do so -- again, unless you're accusing Nemo of omitting relevant correspondence. Given that Lanz has a long history of selling tooled and fake coins -- and being otherwise dishonest in his dealings -- whereas I'm not aware of any history of dishonesty on Nemo's part, that would be a very serious accusation, for which you would have no evidence -- unlike Nemo, who has persuasive evidence for his accusations. </p><p><br /></p><p>Certainly Nemo's evidence is persuasive enough for me to believe, given that we're in the court of public opinion here. What would happen in a real court, in a real litigation, is completely irrelevant. After all, Lanz knows perfectly well that litigation against him in Germany is highly impractical for a non-German like Nemo over such a relatively small amount of money; the attorneys' fees alone would probably far exceed the value of the case. (And although I would argue that Lanz's business activities in fraudulently marketing and selling coins to the USA via Ebay constitute sufficient contacts to subject him to transactional jurisdiction in a US court, the same would be true of attorneys' fees here in the USA, especially because the issue of jurisdiction would undoubtedly have to be litigated before even reaching the merits.)</p><p><br /></p><p>Therefore, Lanz has little or no incentive to refrain from cheating people, since he apparently doesn't care about his reputation among knowledgeable collectors. There are always enough uneducated buyers on ebay to allow him to continue profiting from his shady practices.</p><p><br /></p><p>Furthermore, given the relevant email correspondence, the question of whether the coin Nemo purchased is actually authentic or a fake is completely irrelevant to his right to a refund. Again, unless you're accusing Nemo of forging the correspondence, <b>Lanz expressly told him that he could return the coin, in response to Nemo's requests for a refund</b>. There is only one commercially reasonable interpretation of Lanz's communication: that he was telling Nemo to return the coin <b>for a refund</b>. Because a refund was the express subject of their communications, and, in any event, is the only normal outcome of a consumer's return of purchased goods, absent an express agreement to the contrary. Therefore, there's no ambiguity in the correspondence that might require further evidence. If Lanz wanted Nemo to return the coin on a consignment basis, with Nemo entitled to receive only the proceeds of a resale, he had every opportunity to say that -- but failed to do so, let alone to obtain Nemo's agreement to such an arrangement. Whether German or U.S. law were applied, I find it extremely difficult to believe that any court or tribunal would read such unspoken terms into their agreement, or take into account Lanz's unspoken alleged intentions, given that doing so is completely unnecessary to carry out the parties' agreement.</p><p><br /></p><p>For all its length, your defense of Lanz rests on a bed of sand.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="DonnaML, post: 4432595, member: 110350"]You're completely ignoring the fact that we don't simply have Nemo's recollection of what happened. We have his and Lanz's email correspondence on the subject, which is "not clear" [U]only[/U] if you're accusing Nemo of forging that correspondence. Lanz had a chance to explain his actions to Nemo in that correspondence, and failed to do so -- again, unless you're accusing Nemo of omitting relevant correspondence. Given that Lanz has a long history of selling tooled and fake coins -- and being otherwise dishonest in his dealings -- whereas I'm not aware of any history of dishonesty on Nemo's part, that would be a very serious accusation, for which you would have no evidence -- unlike Nemo, who has persuasive evidence for his accusations. Certainly Nemo's evidence is persuasive enough for me to believe, given that we're in the court of public opinion here. What would happen in a real court, in a real litigation, is completely irrelevant. After all, Lanz knows perfectly well that litigation against him in Germany is highly impractical for a non-German like Nemo over such a relatively small amount of money; the attorneys' fees alone would probably far exceed the value of the case. (And although I would argue that Lanz's business activities in fraudulently marketing and selling coins to the USA via Ebay constitute sufficient contacts to subject him to transactional jurisdiction in a US court, the same would be true of attorneys' fees here in the USA, especially because the issue of jurisdiction would undoubtedly have to be litigated before even reaching the merits.) Therefore, Lanz has little or no incentive to refrain from cheating people, since he apparently doesn't care about his reputation among knowledgeable collectors. There are always enough uneducated buyers on ebay to allow him to continue profiting from his shady practices. Furthermore, given the relevant email correspondence, the question of whether the coin Nemo purchased is actually authentic or a fake is completely irrelevant to his right to a refund. Again, unless you're accusing Nemo of forging the correspondence, [B]Lanz expressly told him that he could return the coin, in response to Nemo's requests for a refund[/B]. There is only one commercially reasonable interpretation of Lanz's communication: that he was telling Nemo to return the coin [B]for a refund[/B]. Because a refund was the express subject of their communications, and, in any event, is the only normal outcome of a consumer's return of purchased goods, absent an express agreement to the contrary. Therefore, there's no ambiguity in the correspondence that might require further evidence. If Lanz wanted Nemo to return the coin on a consignment basis, with Nemo entitled to receive only the proceeds of a resale, he had every opportunity to say that -- but failed to do so, let alone to obtain Nemo's agreement to such an arrangement. Whether German or U.S. law were applied, I find it extremely difficult to believe that any court or tribunal would read such unspoken terms into their agreement, or take into account Lanz's unspoken alleged intentions, given that doing so is completely unnecessary to carry out the parties' agreement. For all its length, your defense of Lanz rests on a bed of sand.[/QUOTE]
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