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<p>[QUOTE="Lolli, post: 4424579, member: 96900"][ATTACH=full]1109087[/ATTACH] I am almost 100% sure Dr. Lanz will refund you the money and possibly apologize if you will show that die matches are offered as replicas from modern dies on ebay.</p><p>In this case there can not be two opinions about authenticity, in the other case about the other suspected fake there were to different opinions possible. In this case I am 100% on your side but it would be stupid not asking for refund because the coin is not authentic as pretended and so you have the right to get your money back.</p><p>You should mention in Email to Lanz that die matches were sold as replicas on ebay.</p><p><br /></p><p>“ALL OF OUR COINS ARE HIGH QUALITY, HIGH STANDARD, HAND STRUCK NOVELTY INTERPRETATIONS OF MUSEUM ”</p><p><br /></p><p>One is currently for sale as replica and this should make it much easier to prove that they are fake because this replica has not been altered and comes in bad company with other fakes from modern hand cut dies.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/AR-TETROBOL-03-37GR-SELEUKID-KINGDOM-SELEUKOS-I-NIKATOR-305-295BC-NOVELTY-STRIKE/383523856664?hash=item594bcda118:g:q6IAAOSwYgleqJB6" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/AR-TETROBOL-03-37GR-SELEUKID-KINGDOM-SELEUKOS-I-NIKATOR-305-295BC-NOVELTY-STRIKE/383523856664?hash=item594bcda118:g:q6IAAOSwYgleqJB6" rel="nofollow">https://www.ebay.com/itm/AR-TETROBOL-03-37GR-SELEUKID-KINGDOM-SELEUKOS-I-NIKATOR-305-295BC-NOVELTY-STRIKE/383523856664?hash=item594bcda118:g:q6IAAOSwYgleqJB6</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.com/sch/coinlandia/m.html?item=383523856664&hash=item594bcda118%3Ag%3Aq6IAAOSwYgleqJB6&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.com/sch/coinlandia/m.html?item=383523856664&hash=item594bcda118%3Ag%3Aq6IAAOSwYgleqJB6&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562" rel="nofollow">https://www.ebay.com/sch/coinlandia/m.html?item=383523856664&hash=item594bcda118:g:q6IAAOSwYgleqJB6&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562</a></p><p><br /></p><p>And if there will be a Lanz bashing I have to tell that we all make mistakes.</p><p><br /></p><p>And Lanz is withdrawning and refunding if there will be real evidence that a coin is fake, that is my experience.</p><p><br /></p><p>He has for example withdrawn this Istros fake after being notified, Ebay is not done by Lanz himself but by his staff as far as I know but it could be the case that he will help himself with ebay sale if necessary.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.de/itm/LANZ-MOESIA-ISTROS-DRACHM-HEADS-EAGLE-DOLPHIN-SILVER-GREEK-ZZZ1357/303506479270?hash=item46aa6558a6:g:LgcAAOSw6FpeX~Fj" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.de/itm/LANZ-MOESIA-ISTROS-DRACHM-HEADS-EAGLE-DOLPHIN-SILVER-GREEK-ZZZ1357/303506479270?hash=item46aa6558a6:g:LgcAAOSw6FpeX~Fj" rel="nofollow">https://www.ebay.de/itm/LANZ-MOESIA-ISTROS-DRACHM-HEADS-EAGLE-DOLPHIN-SILVER-GREEK-ZZZ1357/303506479270?hash=item46aa6558a6:g:LgcAAOSw6FpeX~Fj</a></p><p><br /></p><p>NGC has slabbed one of these fakes, too so please no Lanz bushing because he offerd one of these Istros fakes, many weer offered and sold by reputable auciton houses or on ebay (on ebay mainly by fake sellers).</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.sixbid.com/en/heritage-auctions-inc/5132/ancients-greek/4282703/moesia-istrus-ca-400-350-bc?term&orderCol=lot_number&orderDirection=asc&priceFrom&displayMode=large&auctionSessions=&sidebarIsSticky=false" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.sixbid.com/en/heritage-auctions-inc/5132/ancients-greek/4282703/moesia-istrus-ca-400-350-bc?term&orderCol=lot_number&orderDirection=asc&priceFrom&displayMode=large&auctionSessions=&sidebarIsSticky=false" rel="nofollow">https://www.sixbid.com/en/heritage-auct ... icky=false</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5216768" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5216768" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5216768</a></p><p><br /></p><p>NGC Avers die match to IBSCC Bulletin on Counterfeits BOCS Vol 14 No.2 1989 Page 38 Fig 17</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=qb8o0C4yXjo=" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=qb8o0C4yXjo=" rel="nofollow">http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=qb8o0C4yXjo=</a></p><p><br /></p><p>And Reverse IBSCC Bulletin on Counterfeits BOCS Vol 14 No.2 1989 Page 37 Fig 13</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=axqEO0QPcRk=" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=axqEO0QPcRk=" rel="nofollow">http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=axqEO0QPcRk=</a></p><p><br /></p><p>You can buy die linked ones from same artist on ebay as replica</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.de/itm/Istros-Solid-Silver-Stater-Coin/323773587087?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.de/itm/Istros-Solid-Silver-Stater-Coin/323773587087?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649" rel="nofollow">https://www.ebay.de/itm/Istros-Solid-Silver-Stater-Coin/323773587087?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649</a></p><p><br /></p><p>We (collectors, dealers and experts) all make mistakes but instead of showing the mistakes of other in public and making them bad and possibly even so humilitating them and heighten ourself we might better work together against fakes and forgers and fakes sellers because they are the real enemy.</p><p>And there is a difference of showing fakes like in forvm without mentioning the seller and showing them only for educational purpose that collectors can improve their skills in fake detection and so lowering the chance that they become fooled by fakes.</p><p><br /></p><p>And there have been arguments in Forvm too when one expert of one auction house has condemned a coin offered by another auction house as fake because they are competitors and so it was about the not really clear intention why he did so. Did he do for educational purpose or to harm the reputaion of the other auciton house we do not know, if BUSINESS is involved it is a problem.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lolli, post: 4424579, member: 96900"][ATTACH=full]1109087[/ATTACH] I am almost 100% sure Dr. Lanz will refund you the money and possibly apologize if you will show that die matches are offered as replicas from modern dies on ebay. In this case there can not be two opinions about authenticity, in the other case about the other suspected fake there were to different opinions possible. In this case I am 100% on your side but it would be stupid not asking for refund because the coin is not authentic as pretended and so you have the right to get your money back. You should mention in Email to Lanz that die matches were sold as replicas on ebay. “ALL OF OUR COINS ARE HIGH QUALITY, HIGH STANDARD, HAND STRUCK NOVELTY INTERPRETATIONS OF MUSEUM ” One is currently for sale as replica and this should make it much easier to prove that they are fake because this replica has not been altered and comes in bad company with other fakes from modern hand cut dies. [URL]https://www.ebay.com/itm/AR-TETROBOL-03-37GR-SELEUKID-KINGDOM-SELEUKOS-I-NIKATOR-305-295BC-NOVELTY-STRIKE/383523856664?hash=item594bcda118:g:q6IAAOSwYgleqJB6[/URL] [URL='https://www.ebay.com/sch/coinlandia/m.html?item=383523856664&hash=item594bcda118%3Ag%3Aq6IAAOSwYgleqJB6&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562']https://www.ebay.com/sch/coinlandia/m.html?item=383523856664&hash=item594bcda118:g:q6IAAOSwYgleqJB6&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562[/URL] And if there will be a Lanz bashing I have to tell that we all make mistakes. And Lanz is withdrawning and refunding if there will be real evidence that a coin is fake, that is my experience. He has for example withdrawn this Istros fake after being notified, Ebay is not done by Lanz himself but by his staff as far as I know but it could be the case that he will help himself with ebay sale if necessary. [URL]https://www.ebay.de/itm/LANZ-MOESIA-ISTROS-DRACHM-HEADS-EAGLE-DOLPHIN-SILVER-GREEK-ZZZ1357/303506479270?hash=item46aa6558a6:g:LgcAAOSw6FpeX~Fj[/URL] NGC has slabbed one of these fakes, too so please no Lanz bushing because he offerd one of these Istros fakes, many weer offered and sold by reputable auciton houses or on ebay (on ebay mainly by fake sellers). [URL='https://www.sixbid.com/en/heritage-auctions-inc/5132/ancients-greek/4282703/moesia-istrus-ca-400-350-bc?term&orderCol=lot_number&orderDirection=asc&priceFrom&displayMode=large&auctionSessions=&sidebarIsSticky=false']https://www.sixbid.com/en/heritage-auct ... icky=false[/URL] [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5216768[/URL] NGC Avers die match to IBSCC Bulletin on Counterfeits BOCS Vol 14 No.2 1989 Page 38 Fig 17 [URL]http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=qb8o0C4yXjo=[/URL] And Reverse IBSCC Bulletin on Counterfeits BOCS Vol 14 No.2 1989 Page 37 Fig 13 [URL]http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=axqEO0QPcRk=[/URL] You can buy die linked ones from same artist on ebay as replica [URL='https://www.ebay.de/itm/Istros-Solid-Silver-Stater-Coin/323773587087?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649']https://www.ebay.de/itm/Istros-Solid-Silver-Stater-Coin/323773587087?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649[/URL] We (collectors, dealers and experts) all make mistakes but instead of showing the mistakes of other in public and making them bad and possibly even so humilitating them and heighten ourself we might better work together against fakes and forgers and fakes sellers because they are the real enemy. And there is a difference of showing fakes like in forvm without mentioning the seller and showing them only for educational purpose that collectors can improve their skills in fake detection and so lowering the chance that they become fooled by fakes. And there have been arguments in Forvm too when one expert of one auction house has condemned a coin offered by another auction house as fake because they are competitors and so it was about the not really clear intention why he did so. Did he do for educational purpose or to harm the reputaion of the other auciton house we do not know, if BUSINESS is involved it is a problem.[/QUOTE]
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