Another Ebay Seller

This whole thing starts with the seller and THEN finishes with the buyer. (Ebay is not going to help.) As some say, if it is O.K. to describe a silver-clad coin as 'Silver' without elaborating at that time, then a 'fake' 'George Washington' dollar can be sold as 'Genuine', because it IS genuine. It might be a genuine fake, but it is still a genuine something and therefore (by that theory) can be described as genuine to catch the unwary, and the 'new to the game', and the 'gift' buyers, (etc.). Do you want this? Not all of us start out knowing everything about everything.
I am sorry, but (unequivocally) the onus is squarely on the seller to correctly represent what he is selling (in the first instance).IMHO
Good on you heuvy31 and tommyc03.

 

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Buyer responsibility on eBay? Heresy!

 

And thanks for vindicating my thoughts.

 

Which is exactly what the seller did. He very plainly stated that the coins are clad.

 

I don't think he plainly stated it. If it were in the listing title, then yes, I'd agree it was plainly stated. "Eisenhower Ike Dollar Coins, Mixed Lot of 10" or "Eisenhower Ike Clad Dollar Coins, Mixed Lot of 10". He put it in a paragraph under description and had Silver in the listing so he could draw more searches.

While I agree in general with the idea that buyers should know what they are buying and also read the entire listing, I also believe the seller has a responsibility to list his items properly.

This listing is border line deceitful.

 

OMG, he's guilty of key word spamming!!! Get out the torches and pitchforks.

 

This goes back to the stock photo of silver Ike's and not a photo of the actual coin/s. This was no better than a bait & switch and looking for someone who was not paying attention to the description vs the photos. Yes, there are people who are too quick to pull the trigger and click Buy It Now or Bid w/o reading everything in the description. But are we not here to help others and not chastise, humiliate or turn them away from this hobby? If my sole purpose of selling is to sucker punch someone instead of guiding them, just to move unwanted and otherwise unsellable material then I have no business being here or on a site selling anything at all. I was brought up with better manners and I have my dignity. Can't take that away from me. And this is not a personal critique of you, it is the way I live my life.

 

Right on, right on, right on !!! Talk about it....

 

We're not going to see eye to eye on this and that's fine. I'm not suggesting a burning at the stake. I'm suggesting his listing was purposefully misleading. Not everyone in the world is a numismatist. I'd be pissed if one of my sisters bought this for me thinking they were buying something special, when in reality, they were duped by a less than honest listing.

Do I read entire listings? Yes. Why do I do this? Because I know there are sellers on eBay who aren't honest.

I've read enough stories about dishonest buyers as well, but that's for another thread. I've been in B2B sales most of my 25 years in business. I believe I know when someone is trying to purposefully mislead. I take pride in being a professional salesperson. I don't mislead, lie, embellish or try to sell ice to eskimos. I'll leave those tactics to the unprofessional.

 

All in all, we actually agree to a certain point. I am not fond of misleading listings, either. In fact, I think they stink. I still, however, maintain that buyers are just as culpable in these situations and therefore feel little sorrow for any who take the bait..

 

We are indeed in agreement on that and I tried to convey my thinking. You collect a series that is very complicated and takes a tremendous amount of research if you want to seriously collect it. I surmise that you pay attention to the listing details partly because of this.

I don't care for dishonest sellers nor do I care for buyers who take undue advantage of eBay rules. I would be just as vocal if this was a thread about buyer shenanigans.

 

Hey I don't see what is wrong with it. In his description said what this auction is about and if you don't like it then don't bid on it. I am sure alot of you must have sold stuff on Ebay using stock photos. For example selling U S Mint products is one way we all copy and paste and then selling them in auctions.

 

The description does state they are NOT silver. Although the title saying "silver" does bait customers looking for silver to purchase, so I'd remove "silver" from the title!

 

Oh yes we do use stock photos. But I would only do so on a brand new item, such as a toy or mint products that show no visible sign of wear. I would never, ever do this on any used item.

 

Why?

These are commonly known as silver dollars. Kinda like Lincoln Cents are known as "pennies" amongst the ignorant laity.

 

Silver Dollars instead of Cupro Nickel Dollars, Pennies vs. Cents, 3 cent Nickels vs. 3 Cent Coins, 1975 Mint sets with 1976 coins, it just seems to be awfully confusing to a casual coin collector/buyer or complete newbie who does not have a clue. Especially someone who knows nothing about coins whatsoever and just wants to buy a loved one something special for a gift but should not be misled because they have no knowledge.

 

Why? I already told you.

 

Someone who isn't a "geek pro" like we are can easily jump onto an auction like this thinking they are REALLY silver (without reading the description! Some buyers don't!). So an amateur gets these coins delivered expecting them to be silver, and returns them when they find out the terrible news. Possibly leaving negative feedback as well.

It could also backfire on the seller's end...

 

Well, that is a violation of eBay policy; there's even a category for reporting it.

Calling clad Ikes (or, for that matter, SBAs) "silver" dollars gets on my nerves, too. It seems to me that sellers doing that are setting themselves up for a string of SNAD returns; I can't imagine that enough people will keep them (and leave good feedback) for him to come out ahead.

Too many windmills on that particular hill for me to start tackling them, though.

 

I think they have!