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<p>[QUOTE="mralexanderb, post: 706312, member: 7851"]I started to bid on an Indian Head Cent, 1888 0ver 7. </p><p>ebay item # 230380649730 You've got to check out her close up photos of someone else's coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>I was thinking this is the KEY coin for all IHCs and I'll never win it. I thought it odd that it wasn't graded but figured it must've been cleaned at some point. The bidding seemed subdued, to say the least, and I figured that the serious bidders would snipe at the last second, as the coin is worth thousands of $$s. So I bid (Sniped) $355, never thinking I'd win, when the highest bid was $191 or so. To my surprise I won the coin at $255. Now I'm thinking to myself, self, why didn't this coin go for thousands of dollars more? According to the photos this coin could be the rarest of the 1888/7 coins, a Snow 1, out of 32 Snow varieties. When I got the coin home I could tell that this was not the coin pictured in the auction. </p><p><br /></p><p>The seller stated that this coin had a cud by the UNITED on the obverse. Upon examination, this coin showed die deterioration that left the left side of the obverse a bit eroded but NO CUD as shown in Rick Snows "Flying Eagle and Indian Head Attribution Guide, 2nd edition, Volume 3, 1870-1889. In all the close up shots of the coin it showed that all of the loops in all of the 3 8s were clear, with no debris in them. The coin I got had blue/green crystal-like debris in all the loops of all the 8s. That proved to me that these close up photos were of another coin and the auction was a scam. I believe she, the seller, figured someone would take her word for the authenticity of the coin without doing any follow up inspection of the own. </p><p><br /></p><p>I have ebay emails from her. She stated that she saw the low bids of her auction and tried to pull it, but was unsuccessful. She told me she'd be happy to buy the coin back at full price and also pay for shipping & handling, both ways. So I took her up on that promise. I filed with Paypal and claimed that the coin was, Significantly not as described.</p><p><br /></p><p>I will post some of my photos to compare with the ones in her auction.</p><p><br /></p><p>As you can see, the last and next to last 8s have blue/green debris in the loops of the 8s. This cannot be the same coin as posted in the auction. All her 8s were clear within the loops. The same is true with the middle 2 8s and the 18 of the 3rd photo.</p><p><br /></p><p>The 4th photo, at 200 magnification, shows NO trace of the "small portion of the 7 that should be visible under the left half of the last 8". That is the proof of the 8 over the 7. It is not there. Again proving the coin I got was not the coin in her pictures. </p><p><br /></p><p>And lastly, the final photo of the coin I received shows some rim erosion, not a rim cud into the denticles at 9:00 above TED in UNITED. Another stolen photo from someone elses coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>I believe that the eBay seller, <span style="color: Red">ovir</span>, was counting on someone just accepting her story, with the phony photos of another coin, and being happy to get an 1888/7 IHC.</p><p><br /></p><p>Thanks for listening.</p><p><br /></p><p>Bruce[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="mralexanderb, post: 706312, member: 7851"]I started to bid on an Indian Head Cent, 1888 0ver 7. ebay item # 230380649730 You've got to check out her close up photos of someone else's coin. I was thinking this is the KEY coin for all IHCs and I'll never win it. I thought it odd that it wasn't graded but figured it must've been cleaned at some point. The bidding seemed subdued, to say the least, and I figured that the serious bidders would snipe at the last second, as the coin is worth thousands of $$s. So I bid (Sniped) $355, never thinking I'd win, when the highest bid was $191 or so. To my surprise I won the coin at $255. Now I'm thinking to myself, self, why didn't this coin go for thousands of dollars more? According to the photos this coin could be the rarest of the 1888/7 coins, a Snow 1, out of 32 Snow varieties. When I got the coin home I could tell that this was not the coin pictured in the auction. The seller stated that this coin had a cud by the UNITED on the obverse. Upon examination, this coin showed die deterioration that left the left side of the obverse a bit eroded but NO CUD as shown in Rick Snows "Flying Eagle and Indian Head Attribution Guide, 2nd edition, Volume 3, 1870-1889. In all the close up shots of the coin it showed that all of the loops in all of the 3 8s were clear, with no debris in them. The coin I got had blue/green crystal-like debris in all the loops of all the 8s. That proved to me that these close up photos were of another coin and the auction was a scam. I believe she, the seller, figured someone would take her word for the authenticity of the coin without doing any follow up inspection of the own. I have ebay emails from her. She stated that she saw the low bids of her auction and tried to pull it, but was unsuccessful. She told me she'd be happy to buy the coin back at full price and also pay for shipping & handling, both ways. So I took her up on that promise. I filed with Paypal and claimed that the coin was, Significantly not as described. I will post some of my photos to compare with the ones in her auction. As you can see, the last and next to last 8s have blue/green debris in the loops of the 8s. This cannot be the same coin as posted in the auction. All her 8s were clear within the loops. The same is true with the middle 2 8s and the 18 of the 3rd photo. The 4th photo, at 200 magnification, shows NO trace of the "small portion of the 7 that should be visible under the left half of the last 8". That is the proof of the 8 over the 7. It is not there. Again proving the coin I got was not the coin in her pictures. And lastly, the final photo of the coin I received shows some rim erosion, not a rim cud into the denticles at 9:00 above TED in UNITED. Another stolen photo from someone elses coin. I believe that the eBay seller, [COLOR=Red]ovir[/COLOR], was counting on someone just accepting her story, with the phony photos of another coin, and being happy to get an 1888/7 IHC. Thanks for listening. Bruce[/QUOTE]
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