Another dealer followed after a coin show robbed

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Owle, Mar 16, 2023.

  1. Owle

    Owle Junior Member

    The thieves are getting more aggressive, I got this report from NCIC:




    DATE OCCURRED: 3/12/23

    A dealer traveling home after leaving the Buena Park, CA coin show on 3/12/23

    was the victim of a vehicle burglary. Victor Rajcany drove 52 miles and stopped

    for a few minutes at a store in Redlands, CA. Upon returning to his vehicle he

    found the rear window of his vehicle broken out and two bags containing coins

    were stolen.

    The victim believes a suspicious male subject who was observed at the show

    may have followed him using a gps tracker. The suspect may have been in the

    company of another male subject who was seen taking photos inside the bourse.

    The victim described the suspect as having an accent and possibly of Columbian


    Partial Listing of Stolen Coins:

    1920 BU Saint Raw

    1908 NM St.Gauden BU Raw

    1908 NM Saint MS66 NGC

    1886 Seated Half NGC PF66 Cameo 3551140-003

    1883CC GSA NGC MS66+ 6458321-001

    1882CC GSA NGC MS66 6276360-007

    1881CC GSA NGC MS65+ 1884413-001

    1884CC GSA NGC MS66+ 6458321-002

    1884CC MS66 Raw

    1885CC GSA MS65 NGC VAM 4

    1885CC PCGS MS64

    1881CC Raw MS64 PL

    1886S Dollar PCGS MS62

    1916D FS Walking Lib PCGS62

    1917S Rev S Walking Lib BU Raw

    1904 $20 NGC MS64

    1903O PCGS DK Green MS65

    1884 GSA MS64 W/Rainbow Toning

    Rare Marbles

    Anyone with information contact:

    Doug Davis

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  3. PamR

    PamR You Never Know! Supporter

    It’s really concerning of all contents of life, people are watching. People track their interests. My husband is in retail and it’s nothing for someone to just fill a bag, a buggy and walk right out. People at functions as simple as a night out. Glad the person is ok. I know they had stuff stolen but glad they were not harmed. Hope they find their collection.
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  4. lardan

    lardan Supporter! Supporter

    Little doubt this person was followed. Catching the low life crooks is another story. I hope the dealer has insurance to cover this, looks as though it is a big loss. I wonder how partial the partial list is.
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  5. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    One nevers leaves a show and travels directly home...nor makes stops.
    A dealer here years ago...left the show...and decided that he needed instead of paying at the pump the credit price....he went inside to pay cash!
    Saved what 2 cents on a gallon lost everything in the time it took to pay.
    Then was hit again as he drove right home from a show...and they hit him in his drive way.
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  6. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I'm glad they waited until he was away from his car. From what I've seen, there are people who wouldn't hesitate to smash in his head for a haul like that. (Yes, I know assault puts the crime into a different category. There are lots of low-lifes who seem unable to make that calculation, though.)
  7. CoinCorgi

    CoinCorgi Tell your dog I said hi!

    Crap. I was at that show (on Saturday the 11th, not Sunday). The bourse was extremely crowded with lots of jostling, bumping and shimmying. I was constantly checking that I had my wallet.
  8. PamR

    PamR You Never Know! Supporter

    Be safe!
  9. PamR

    PamR You Never Know! Supporter

    Yes it’s sad. Years ago there was an incident here… home invasion. They knew the people. They did kill them. The low life’s are in jail for life but it was very sad and disturbing. One had worked for them, inside job. Today is even crazier. Killing for drugs, a shirt etc. Thank goodness he was not hurt. Yes coins may be found, but hard to replace one’s life.
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  10. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

  11. Tall Paul

    Tall Paul Supporter! Supporter

    Many years ago I worked as a sales rep selling colored gemstones. I traveled in 22 states and was always on the lookout for suspicious behaviors. I was insured as long as the bag of stones was in my possession at all times. In other words, if I left my car for a hotdog and the bag was removed from the car I was screwed. My boss required that I cold call customers so that a robbery could not be prearranged.

    Fortunately during six years of traveling I was never robbed. I was once followed for over 100 miles. A common trick was for Columbian gangs to follow you and at an opportune time they would puncture your tires. This was especially common in cities. I knew of one diamond dealer who was robbed before he made a prearranged sales call. Another colleague was robbed in Northern CA. when he went to check into his hotel and still another was robbed after he placed his bag on the conveyor belt of the airport x-ray machine and someone jumped in front of him with pockets full of metal that set off the alarms. The 20 seconds of delay and confusion allowed the thief enough time to grab the bag and pass it off to a confederate who hid in another suitcase and calmly walked out of the airport.

    Another trick was to distract you by squirting mustard or some similar substance on you. My wife and I were in Barcelona when some gypsies did this to us. We were getting on the subway when they squirted coconut oil on our jackets and a "kind" gentlemen offered to hold my jacket while I cleaned the oil off of my wife's jacket. He was one of the thieves and I did not give him my jacket. There three of them working together. Sue and I got off at the next stop and headed back to the hotel keeping a tight grip on our valuables. We did not walk directly to the hotel, we got off a stop after the hotel stop and doubled back to make sure we were not followed. My experience as a traveling sales rep paid off big time that day.

    One cannot be too careful. After the diamond dealer got robbed he had a guard travel with him. Another dealer traveled with a very well trained Doberman.
  12. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    When I worked the shows "the door" I screened everyone....and also watched the room, we had a armed police...on the floor.. no ID no entry. ... and I even warched the pack out, and dealers to their cars.
    I never went right home...And always kept a look out behinde me driving.
    As I didn't want to be marked and followed thinking I had coins or money.

    I actually missed 2 shows due to family illness..1 show 10 k in gold coins walked....another the dealers money bag was taken.
    2 man team one ask stupid questions to keep the dealer busy... the other took the bag.
    This ploy Ive seen many times in the retail food business... back when sodas came in glass bottles the gypsies would send a young girl and an old woman in... the old woman would knock over a stack of soda hitting a cement floor makes a big bang... the office worker would be concerned about a injury and leave the cash office.... bingo the young one when over the top snatched as much cash as possible and run out to a waiting car.....meanwhile the old lady be putting on an act to keep the employees busy.
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  13. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    Thieves just suck!
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  14. Owle

    Owle Junior Member

    This good news theft report was sent out last week on a South Carolina robbery:




    DATE OCCURRED: 3/5/23

    A dealer heading home from the recent TSNS coin show was the victim of a vehicle burglary. The victim stopped to eat and while inside two suspects gained entry into the vehicle. A witness who was across the street observed the offense and provided a description of the suspect vehicle to responding officers.

    The suspects were driving a Silver Honda Pilot with a blacked out rear plate. A Cherokee County Sheriff’s Deputy spotted the vehicle and made a traffic stop without incident. The suspects were arrested, and all cash and coins were recovered. The suspects are from Colombia and are being held without bond due to being flight risks. It is believed that the suspects were also in the company of a female who was acting suspicious at the show but attempts to locate her were unsuccessful.

  15. rte

    rte Well-Known Member

    Should check Known associates for a connection to the CA theft.
    Wild west justice for the wild east.
  16. MK Ultra

    MK Ultra Well-Known Member

    If all crimes were capital crimes, there would soon be no more crime.
  17. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Yep, if you execute everyone, the crime rate goes to zero... if only because you also run out of victims.

    "If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him."
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  18. Vess1

    Vess1 CT SP VIP

    Maybe so but the level of crime seems to be directly proportional to the severity of the penalties. In short, "3 hots and a cot" is no longer moving the needle. I'm sure many of them would rather be free but if they get caught, oh well. They can live with that too. If they have no money for the system to take, they'll be out free in no time anyway.

    The most rational conclusion would be to re-explore additional methods of punishment that are less palatable. That's assuming we all wish to live in a civil society and make it through tomorrow.
  19. Owle

    Owle Junior Member

    In "The Treasure of the Sierra Madre" the banditos were required to dig their own graves and then were executed, there is a sort of natural justice in that. The question is how grave the transgressions should be to call for a capital punishment?

    Hopefully the authorities will exhaust the perpetrators by extracting all intelligence they can to find out if there are ringleaders. A couple guys don't go to a foreign country and then have substantial resources to execute a robbery like this without substantial networks with working orders. If they get extradited finally I hope there are treaties in place so that in Colombia jails they are kept there in their rat infested cells for long enough to act as a deterrance.
  20. Jeffjay

    Jeffjay Well-Known Member

    If all crimes were capital crimes it would be so easy to set someone up to be executed. Two people with a grudge, one fake victim, one fake witness.
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  21. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Oh dear, post was mod deleted.......must have been an autocrat. devil.gif
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