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Message:: [QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 2247663, member: 112"]If, as you say, it falls under the HPA then COPY is required on the coin. If it does not fall under the HPA then it is a counterfeit. It is just that simple. What you're talking about with intent, yes that does apply when one is selling a counterfeit. And yes intent to defraud is required in order for one to be guilty of illegally selling counterfeits. But lack of intent to defraud does not change the fact that the coin being sold is indeed a counterfeit. And the crime that is committed is the making of those counterfeits. In other words Dave, if you buy a counterfeit Trade dollar, knowing full well that it is a counterfeit, you have committed no wrong, no crime. And if later on you sell that same counterfeit Trade dollar to somebody else, telling that it is indeed a counterfeit and they buy it as a counterfeit, you have still committed no crime. However, the person who made that counterfeit, did commit a crime simply by making it. He doesn't have to sell it for it to still be a crime. Its mere existence, the making of it, is the crime. And the only way to avoid that making of it from being a crime is to stamp the word COPY on the coin as required by law. There is no "in between" Dave. It is one, or it is the other, and both are illegal.[/QUOTE]