Another Crown for the Morgandude

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  1. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    ASI have said previously, I am very into UK Elizabeth II, and George V and VI coins. The seller on eBay made me a great offer on this coin, so I jumped. It just came in the mail a few minutes ago.

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  3. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes? Supporter

    I'm really worried about the green on this coin. It should not be there, and needs to be removed before the coin is damaged.
     
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  4. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Not an issue—it is going to cracked out, and will get a verdigris treatment, before it goes to PCGS. The albums they came in were green, so that might be it, but I have a close friend who does conservation.
     
  5. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Just sent pictures to my friend, who does coin conservation. It is not Verdigris, according to him. It is green album toning from one of the albums widely used in the UK. So, I think it is just going to stay in the ANACS holder as is.
     
  6. Maxfli

    Maxfli Well-Known Member

    He might be right. But if it were me, I'd want a second opinion.
     
  7. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    He works for NGC.
     
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  8. Maxfli

    Maxfli Well-Known Member

    Regardless, I'd still want a second opinion. but that's just me.
     
  9. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes? Supporter

    I don't know what "green album toning" is... but whatever that is, its not toning. That is some foreign substance on the surface.
     
  10. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    "Green album toning" on a copper-nickel coin to me means it corroded while in an album, and unlike PVC goo, isn't easily removed. What kind of album was it in?
     
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  11. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    I have no idea. I bought it certified like it is. My friend, who is an expert on conservation, was not concerned. It does not look like corrosion to my eye—it looks more like toning, while holding the coin in hand. PVC? I would assume that ANACS can determine PVC damage. Don’t know what else to say. I will definitely have somebody else look at it. I have 30 day return privileges on the coin, so let’s see what this person says. The friend from NGC, who does conservation and has been a grader was not concerned.

    Thanks, guys, for raising legitimate concerns. Since I am more experienced in Silver coins, I assumed it was album toning. The Brits use green albums, and all the earlier Royal Mint boxes from that era were either dark green, or royal blue. I appreciate it!
     
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  12. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    I guess even if the person from NGC wasn't concerned, seeing a band of green like that on a coin is a quick turn-off for many people. If it weren't there, we'd be discussing the coins merits, not its detractors.
     
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  13. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    If it is toning, it isn’t a turn off to me. I do appreciate the concern. It isn’t crusty, like corrosion, so it may be some color transfer. I have seen the boxes the original packaging from the mint came in, and they were blueish/ green.

    Here is a coin in the original package. Color transfer in the rim area:
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  14. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes? Supporter

    "Color transfer" might be even worse! That is essentially staining, and is even harder to remove than some verdigris or PVC.
     
  15. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    I give up! I am sending the freaking coin back.
     
  16. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    I don't see anything particularly wrong with it.
    Anacs should have caught verdigris or PVC.
    I'd lean towards toning as well, but if it bothers you then there is no sense of keeping.
     
  17. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    That was why I bought it. I saw it as toning. Rather obvious to me. I am not experienced in UK coins, but having collected for years, I know what damage looks like. ANACS, and an NGC friend of mine vindicate my opinion. I swear, the negativity around here is at absolute maximum. There is a difference between constructive criticism, and nit picking. Some people have to be 100% right all the time.
     
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