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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;imrich, post: 2811294, member: 22331&quot;]I can&#039;t help it, as I&#039;ve spent more than 60 years associating with &quot;Dealers&quot; who constantly talk about grading results after altering coins through &quot;conservation cleaning&quot; or &quot;dips&quot;. </p><p><br /></p><p>I recently as part of a long term TPG &quot;grading study&quot; removed 5 &quot;mint state&quot; scarce date Liberty Double Eagles from &quot;top tier&quot; TPG slabs, submitting all to one of the top two TPG. One of the coins was slabbed as MS details - scratched, with the others being straight graded MS61-63. </p><p><br /></p><p>I received a notice from my submitting &quot;Dealer&quot; that the scratched coin was recommended to have a &quot;residue cleaning&quot;. I thought this should be interesting, as it didn&#039;t &quot;grade&quot; previously, and agreed to the cleaning.</p><p><br /></p><p>I received notification this week that the MS61-63 previously top tier TPG graded coins are all being returned as AU58 graded coins, and the cleaned - scratched coin is being returned as a MS61 graded coin. </p><p><br /></p><p>The coins are going to CAC with others for review. Those not receiving a &quot;bean&quot; (less the scratched coin) are to be removed from their slabs and submitted to the 2nd premier TPG for a final documented grade.</p><p><br /></p><p>Coin value may be determined by the &quot;cleaners&quot;.</p><p><br /></p><p>JMHO[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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